Tyler's 4th Gen

[TFaoro]

Link to the truck info: https://mopar1973man.com/garage/vehicle/143-2014-ram-2500/?show=tab_3

I'm starting this thread to keep track of everything I do to my new to me 2014 Ram 2500 Laramie. 

I don't have plans to go crazy with it like I did the 2nd gen. The most it'll probably ever have is a mild towing tune and deletes. 

How I bought it: 32K miles Completely stock engine trans. 50 gallon transferflow fuel tank in the bed, Air lift bags with in-cab controls, and a tri-fold tonneau cover. 

Picture from the CL ad:

 

Pictures of the day I got it home:

Big difference between 96 and 2014

 

I did purchase the factory style in-bed gooseneck kit last week to pull the big trailers with. It's made by Kurt, and everything seems to fit and work as it should. I've put the truck to work right away as my 2nd gen is down at the moment. 2K in the bed there (bags at 20psi)

 

 

 

So from the pictures you can see I don't have the tractor sitting in the right spot. I was being lazy and didn't want to move the tractor after the ramps were up. The first thing I noticed is this truck easily stays level with the bags in the rear. I wouldn't be surprised if the tounge weight was around 3K+ with this load (trailer and tractor together were 13-14K)

It's very different towing with an auto - I've never done it with a larger trailer. The trans seemed fine with the load though. The truck has plenty of power in 1-5 even with 3.42 gears. In 6th at 70mph it is below 1500rpm, so I kept it in 5th. 

The turbo spools wicked fast compared to the 2nd gen, although I can clearly feel when torque management is holding the truck back. The exhaust brake feature is awesome. I'm not sure if it works quite as well as an aftermarket one, but it held everything back pretty well. 

So far I'm pleased with the purchase! If anyone has questions, ask away!

Edited November 1, 2017 by TFaoro

[Me78569]

jealous of is.   

 

 

what did you pay is what I want to know.  

[trreed]

Interior pics......

[Wild and Free]

What is amazing is how we spent bookoo thousands of dollars to get to the power levels these things have stock now and still get the same fuel mileage. Every time i get behind the wheel of a newer diesel with a big trailer on them no matter the brand it amazes me how much power they have now, absolutely no comparison to the days of the 5.9's even if modded.

I really have no use for the power of a diesel anymore but will keep my 05 for a while yet. If I were to have ever gone newer I would not get anything newer than a 2012 Cummins to avoid the mess of the SCR "Def Fluid" emissions system.

Edited November 1, 2017 by Wild and Free

[Killer223]

the newer DEF trucks are much better for the engine than the older DPF only ones.

unless you are deleting, i'd get a DEF truck if i felt like spending the money.

and with the way my 08 is treating me. it might be sooner than later.

[Wild and Free]

46 minutes ago, Killer223 said:

the newer DEF trucks are much better for the engine than the older DPF only ones.

unless you are deleting, i'd get a DEF truck if i felt like spending the money.

and with the way my 08 is treating me. it might be sooner than later.

Deleted is what I was referring to. You having issues with your 08?

Edited November 1, 2017 by Wild and Free

[01cummins4ever]

2 hours ago, Wild and Free said:

What is amazing is how we spent bookoo thousands of dollars to get to the power levels these things have stock now and still get the same fuel mileage. Every time i get behind the wheel of a newer diesel with a big trailer on them no matter the brand it amazes me how much power they have now, absolutely no comparison to the days of the 5.9's even if modded.

 

And the best thing is you can still have an actual conversation in the cab without having to yell over the engine noise.

 

nice truck @TFaoro I know if I was to rely on my truck for my everyday bread and butter it would be in a 4th gen. 

Edited November 1, 2017 by 01cummins4ever

[Dieselfuture]

I don't know much about newer diesel with all the emissions stuff, but if I was looking for a newer truck that would be it. Body style color pretty much everything. Would like to know MPG comparison in real life. Is there any major issues with these, like vp on 2nd gens, I know injectors could be a problem. How many miles people get out of these, there's got to be someone with high mileage on one of these. 

[trreed]

lol you put the 2nd gen plates on it???  lmaoooo it is the same color I guess

[Killer223]

the newer CR injectors are a lot better then the first iteration of them. i've seen several people on other forums well over 800K on them, and even more above 500K. the newer truck have the filtration needed as well.

What seems to be the failure point now is the DEF injector clogging/crystallizing from lack of use. there have been several flashes to the computers to help address the old DEF i the system. as it does have a shelf life.

Everyone seems to think these trucks get 20 mpg. i know my freeway/city driving i get 16. and running 75-80 on flat ground going to Texas best i got was 19.9. and an older one where i never drove over 70.

mine is a 6.7 deleted with a "stock" power tune back in MAY, and the Texas trip was a raceme ultra tune of 7.

[TFaoro]

12 hours ago, Me78569 said:

jealous of is.   

 

 

what did you pay is what I want to know.  

Lots. You got a text. 

12 hours ago, trreed said:

Interior pics......

When I drag it out Friday I'll get a bunch.

12 hours ago, Wild and Free said:

What is amazing is how we spent bookoo thousands of dollars to get to the power levels these things have stock now and still get the same fuel mileage. Every time i get behind the wheel of a newer diesel with a big trailer on them no matter the brand it amazes me how much power they have now, absolutely no comparison to the days of the 5.9's even if modded.

I really have no use for the power of a diesel anymore but will keep my 05 for a while yet. If I were to have ever gone newer I would not get anything newer than a 2012 Cummins to avoid the mess of the SCR "Def Fluid" emissions system.

Agreed with the power. It's impressive!

When it comes to deleting, having the SCR isn't a big deal. It's just a couple more blank plugs. The tank and everything can stay in the truck. The injector / sensors stay in the exhaust when removed. 

10 hours ago, 01cummins4ever said:

And the best thing is you can still have an actual conversation in the cab without having to yell over the engine noise.

 

nice truck @TFaoro I know if I was to rely on my truck for my everyday bread and butter it would be in a 4th gen. 

Yes I can hear myself think! No screaming turbo when cruising down the road, although when I ride with the girlfriend sometimes I miss the loud turbo  

7 hours ago, Dieselfuture said:

I don't know much about newer diesel with all the emissions stuff, but if I was looking for a newer truck that would be it. Body style color pretty much everything. Would like to know MPG comparison in real life. Is there any major issues with these, like vp on 2nd gens, I know injectors could be a problem. How many miles people get out of these, there's got to be someone with high mileage on one of these. 

I'll see how it does towing Friday. Starting with a fresh tank and running 120 or so miles with an empty 25ft tandem dual gooseneck and 120 with the trailer loaded. 

4 hours ago, trreed said:

lol you put the 2nd gen plates on it???  lmaoooo it is the same color I guess

As long as I don't get pulled over!

4 hours ago, Killer223 said:

the newer CR injectors are a lot better then the first iteration of them. i've seen several people on other forums well over 800K on them, and even more above 500K. the newer truck have the filtration needed as well.

What seems to be the failure point now is the DEF injector clogging/crystallizing from lack of use. there have been several flashes to the computers to help address the old DEF i the system. as it does have a shelf life.

Everyone seems to think these trucks get 20 mpg. i know my freeway/city driving i get 16. and running 75-80 on flat ground going to Texas best i got was 19.9. and an older one where i never drove over 70.

mine is a 6.7 deleted with a "stock" power tune back in MAY, and the Texas trip was a raceme ultra tune of 7.

 

How do you like the raceme ultra?? I've been looking into tuning mine myself. I have a hard time letting someone else build tunes when I can do it myself!

[trreed]

23 minutes ago, TFaoro said:

Yes I can hear myself think! No screaming turbo when cruising down the road, although when I ride with the girlfriend sometimes I miss the loud turbo  

Imma tell her....

[Killer223]

9 hours ago, TFaoro said:

How do you like the raceme ultra?? I've been looking into tuning mine myself. I have a hard time letting someone else build tunes when I can do it myself!

I really like it's functionality, but it's not very easy on the eyes. where the edge for gauges is nice to look at.

the tuning software is much easier than the EFI live i was toying with.

i know there are people here that can help you with tuning ideas,

i like being able to control the fan lockup for AC, high idle options, cruse control options, all the tuning tables one can adjust are nice, really nice.

SO i flash my tunes, then hook the Edge back up for gauges as it a lot better to look at, and i have a backup camera that uses my edge for a screen.

i also like the fact i get 4 vin licenses, i can take this with me to my next truck.

[TFaoro]

14 hours ago, trreed said:

Imma tell her....

I'mma sell MY second compound kit to someone else. 

4 hours ago, Killer223 said:

I really like it's functionality, but it's not very easy on the eyes. where the edge for gauges is nice to look at.

the tuning software is much easier than the EFI live i was toying with.

i know there are people here that can help you with tuning ideas,

i like being able to control the fan lockup for AC, high idle options, cruse control options, all the tuning tables one can adjust are nice, really nice.

SO i flash my tunes, then hook the Edge back up for gauges as it a lot better to look at, and i have a backup camera that uses my edge for a screen.

i also like the fact i get 4 vin licenses, i can take this with me to my next truck.

I consider deleting it more and more every day.....

Do you know some people who have tuned 4th gens? Specifically the trans? I'm confident I can make the engine run the way I want it to, but I want the trans to stay reliable. I don't plan on taking the power up - just deleting the emissions and tuning the trans to shift better.

[Killer223]

you can tune it with the raceme ultra and warp tuning software.

I know my know my trans guy Fred Swanson, and from talking to him they have good success tuning them but sometimes the 4-5-6 shifts can be rather harsh, almost to the point of chirping the tires. i know he works closely with Calibrated addiction.

 

i'd bet if you are nice to it, and played with the tunes, you could get it where you need it to be.

download the warp software, it gives you demo files to play with, you can see for your self how much you can adjust. its crazy.

[TFaoro]

On 11/2/2017 at 2:56 PM, Killer223 said:

you can tune it with the raceme ultra and warp tuning software.

I know my know my trans guy Fred Swanson, and from talking to him they have good success tuning them but sometimes the 4-5-6 shifts can be rather harsh, almost to the point of chirping the tires. i know he works closely with Calibrated addiction.

 

i'd bet if you are nice to it, and played with the tunes, you could get it where you need it to be.

download the warp software, it gives you demo files to play with, you can see for your self how much you can adjust. its crazy.

I downloaded and have been playing with the software. It's all pretty similar to the old UDC. I don't know what some of the tables do, but hopefully I can do some research and figure out what they control and the outcomes of changing them. 

 

My brother just bought the dongle for UDC Pro RT, so I'll be playing with that shortly. It's very similar to the WARP tuning, so that'll get me familiar with it. 

 

On 11/1/2017 at 3:40 PM, Dieselfuture said:

I don't know much about newer diesel with all the emissions stuff, but if I was looking for a newer truck that would be it. Body style color pretty much everything. Would like to know MPG comparison in real life. Is there any major issues with these, like vp on 2nd gens, I know injectors could be a problem. How many miles people get out of these, there's got to be someone with high mileage on one of these. 

MPG is NOT good stock. I'll pull the fuel logs and post them up. 

[Killer223]

UDC vs warp, you can delete emissions with warp, and can not with UDC.

[Mopar1973Man]

That's something I learned during my time with working with Smarty Resource web site. 

[TFaoro]

On 11/1/2017 at 3:40 PM, Dieselfuture said:

I don't know much about newer diesel with all the emissions stuff, but if I was looking for a newer truck that would be it. Body style color pretty much everything. Would like to know MPG comparison in real life. Is there any major issues with these, like vp on 2nd gens, I know injectors could be a problem. How many miles people get out of these, there's got to be someone with high mileage on one of these. 

So real MPG isn't good towing. 

30ft gooseneck weighing 7K on the way up and 11 or 12K on the way back. 250 miles and a whopping 11.49mpg. 

I'm going to fill up tomorrow with 350 miles of 50 - 50 city and highway. The dash says 16.5, so it's probably somewhere around there.

 

Also had a little issue with the tires not being balanced,so I popped the beads and put in some balancing beads. 

Edited November 23, 2017 by TFaoro

[Dieselfuture]

Well it's still not horrible, more fancy more money, just how it usually is. Plus more cubic inches, and a heavier truck. I'm sure you'll figure it out eventually to be in a happy spot.