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I decided to rebuild my 2nd gen.  I'd bought a rust free box and set of doors 2 years ago to be installed.   That was all I planned on. 

Then last Feb I was on the DOR site.  I ordered a few parts, extreme 3" lift, long arms, bolt in steering, steering brace, traction bars, Carli rear springs with axle flip and airbags, fox 2.5's coil overs up front, fox bump stops front and rear.

I'd already collected and installed a few fueling and air upgrades, EJWA hot unlock, fass 95, Crazy Carl's tunnel ram intake, 3.5" intercooler piping, air horn, BHAF, Magnaflow stacks etc.  Then I ordered a few more parts, II VP, Crazy Carl's twin kit with a 62/68/12 and a S475/96/1.10, a set of 7x10.5s and a set of Sac 7x13's with tip mode, Northern hi flow intercooler, fass 150, coolant bypass, billet freeze plugs, and a bunch of supporting parts that I haven't looked at in a year including a redhead steering box, Geno's ps lines and hi pressure pump, borgestein steering shaft, new rad, new hoses, new red top ultima's etc.

While I was waiting for my parts from DOR, which I ordered and paid for Feb 16, 2017.  They are supposed to be here next week.  I decided if I was going to spend the money I had so far I should upgrade the rest of the engine before bolting all the parts on.  So I ordered a reman long block from DFC in Edmonton Alberta Canada, with Wagler rods, Hamilton valve train, stage 3 cam, o ringed head etc.  I have a new fan hub and support, new water pump, new oil cooler, new engine mount inserts.  I know I have to do the 47re again as I had it rebuilt twice in the 18 months I drove the truck and is slipping again at nearly stock power, I've been in contact with a shop here in Nova Scotia Canada who builds tranny's for the pulling crowd, he is going to build me a billet 47re.  I have a bd billet flywheel.

Is there anything else I should replace while I'm building the truck? 

I'm redoing the whole brake lines with a ss kit I got.

 I think it will be a decent build when finished, it's a factory Sport DRW 4x4 ECLB with leather.  I have a ram air hood, front flares and a visor to go on when the body and paint is done, with all smoked lenses, truck is factory black. Have a new set of American Eagle 059 alloys and 315/75r16's

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First off welcome. That is quite the list. The only thing that comes to mind is, with all you are adding you might want to look into the Quad versus the the Edge. There is alot more tuning you can do with the Quad. I would defer to the more knowedgable to explain why. Again welcome and that is quite the project.

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Thanks.

I had a smarty stacked with the EJWA but didn't care for it at all.  The smarty just seemed to act like an on off switch for the throttle.  

I might have to look into the quad tuning.  I've been debating p pumping it before installing it.  But as is I have $60-70k in parts in a $10k truck.

This truck has been apart since May of last year waiting on the parts from DOR.  I bought a 2017 Lariamie 3500 CCLB 4x4 6.7 G56 at that time which is now deleted with EFI live SBDD 3250 and 35's.  I miss the 2nd gen and will be glad when I have it up and running again.  The 2017 will be my dd and work truck so I'll be able to have fun cruising in the 2nd gen and be able to keep it fairly clean and maintained.

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You might take a peek over at the Quadzilla forum and peek in on the different topics.

https://mopar1973man.com/forum/174-quadzilla-power/

 

I'm also part of the BETA tester for Quadzilla I will admit clearly the Quadzilla beats the Edge Juice easy! Tunning is better control, timing control, less wiring in the cab (just 1 wire for the Quad). 

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Welcome, cool built. like mentioned above I would also say if money is not a problem buy a quad with v2 tuning if you're staying with vp, if you're going to p-pump it then @jlbayes is your guy for advice, maybe @TFaoro can sprinkle his experience:poke:. Another thing is your 95 fass may be at its limits with twins, I'd say fass 150 titanium or a mechanical. Be nice to see finished project. :thumb1:

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I have a fass titanum 150 to replace the 95.  I installed the 95gpm just after buying the truck as once I hooked up a fuel gauge it was showing a vacuum as the in tank lift pump had gone bad and the vp was pulling fuel.

I will look into the quad tuning as I  am not sure I want to spend the extra money to p pump it and take a step backwards in regards to tuning.  And I think it would be different to have a Hot VP truck as most people opt the easy route with a p pump. 

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@jlbayes can tell you the most about high hp VP trucks. He did 654 on a SO VP with some generic sized compounds and injectors. 

Great that the block is warrantied to that level. It is above what most fuel-only VP trucks can dream of. But what is your power goal?  If you want to stay around 650, then VP will allow you to use the quadzilla V2 tuning. If you want more, you're looking at a ppump swap. 

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You will lose electronic control with a ppump. Completely different animal tuning wise. 

That being said, 750 on a VP is a stretch. Usually a gigantic set of compounds is used with varying results. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, trreed said:

You will lose electronic control with a ppump. Completely different animal tuning wise. 

That being said, 750 on a VP is a stretch. Usually a gigantic set of compounds is used with varying results. 

 

 

I realize I'll lose the electronic tuning, that's why I haven't bitten the bullet and bought a p pump and install kit yet.  My plans have changed a few times over the last year not being able to drive it and looking at forums and parts catalogues.

 

 

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I have the quadzilla. The tuning capabilities are fantastic, and I love it. But at the end of the day it's still a VP truck. I haven't done all of my research into how to properly tune a ppump, but I've seen a p24 valve truck capable of 800+hp run on 5 cylinders for hours. So ppumps can be drivable with the proper timing and AFC tuning. Just gott put in the time to learn it

 

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On 1/27/2018 at 5:56 PM, trreed said:

@jlbayes can tell you the most about high hp VP trucks. He did 654 on a SO VP with some generic sized compounds and injectors. 

Great that the block is warrantied to that level. It is above what most fuel-only VP trucks can dream of. But what is your power goal?  If you want to stay around 650, then VP will allow you to use the quadzilla V2 tuning. If you want more, you're looking at a ppump swap. 

 

Single charger. Compounds were a ppump thing.

 

 

 

 

@Tom Robarts; you can get the 750hp if you want it with the vp. But your injector choice and secondary turbo will need to be changed.

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@jlbayes, I think the real problem is I'm not sure what I want to end up with.  When I started using this truck and buying parts it was going to be my work truck.  Now it' just going to be more of a cruiser, may tow the gf's camper occasionally, as I have a 2017 with warranty there isn't much point in using my 2nd gen for work.  

I'd like to end up with a nice "fun" truck.  One I can jump in and know I'll go from point a-b reliably and without smoking out the town.  I have a bad back that has been getting progressively worse and not sure the G56 in the 17 was the right choice, I'd like the option to drive the 2nd gen daily if required.

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I agree. There is a break over point at 650whp with a vp truck. Regardless of tuning. The secondary you will need to get near that 750hp will not lend itself to towing much of anything. I am not the biggest fan of 7 hole injectors either. They work but for the power you want it will take some knowledge of pintle work etc to get there. 6 holes are the king on vp or ppump 24v engines.

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@jlbayes   If you were to recommend an injector what would you suggest?  I bought the 7 hole as that was what was suggested when I bought the twin kit.

I have a new SO VP from industrial injection injection, the twin turbo's , fass 150, colt cams stage 3, hi flow intercooler, 3.5 inch IC tubes and horn, coolant bypass etc.  Most of the parts including the engine have yet to be installed.  For some reason I can't get my signature to load.  I expect I'll put a quad with v2 tuning in so I can control smoke.

 

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6x.013s for the power you want. Infinite performance is my go to but is 4-6 weeks out right now.  I don't want to be a heart breaker but most of that stuff is not going to help you get your goal. The cam is a bit on the larger side out of what I see work on a vp truck. Fuel and air is all it takes and really is that simple. The ported head will lower boost. The cam will move the power band up in the rpm range. The setup I know about for your goals is extremely basic. Super b special (64.5/71/14, s475/96/1.32, Schied lighting twos (6x.013s) and an edge comp. That was it. Ran mids 11s and made 750whp. In a quad cab short bed truck.

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My goals have changed since I bought a lot of these parts.  I'd wanted a good tow rig but with a 6.7 DRW and a G56 tuned and deleted at 500hp I am not likely to tow much with the 2nd gen.  But would like a good running fun to drive 2nd gen.

@jlbayesWith the turbo's and mods I have now, what would you recommend for injectors?  Any wild guess on horsepower?  575-600?  Are these fun to drive at those numbers with proper tuning? 

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