Teardown and Rebuild

[Me78569]

@TFaoro nah I just need the actuator to play with and see what can be done.  once I have something rough we will get it in.

[TFaoro]

1 hour ago, jlbayes said:

Any of the big boy electric pumps need a 5/8" inlet. Which my holley dominator has. I would suggest looking into a mechanical belt driven or gear driven pump. I run a fuel lab 525 flow through regulator.

Belt may not be an option with the Fluidampr. I think electric is going to be my best bet.

Holly or Aeromotive? Does it matter? Reliability in mind!

Looks like I'll be digging back into the sending unit. Ugh.

3 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

@TFaoro nah I just need the actuator to play with and see what can be done.  once I have something rough we will get it in.

Sweet - Thanks. I'm working on finding one and a cable.

32 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

@TFaoro nah I just need the actuator to play with and see what can be done.  once I have something rough we will get it in.

Okay @Me78569, figure 1-310 or page 12 of the PDF: https://mopar1973man.com/external-media/pdf/2000Ramparts.pdf#view=FitB&page=252

I know I'll need #4 and #5 for sure. Do you think I'll need 9? I can build a bracket to hold it myself.

[jlbayes]

There are more options for belt driven pumps than what is sold on diesel oriented sites. ;)

 

Either one, I know holley does not recommend the dominator for continues use in high ambient temps.

[Me78569]

@TFaoro  Not sure what you are looking at.  

[TFaoro]

1 hour ago, jlbayes said:

There are more options for belt driven pumps than what is sold on diesel oriented sites. ;)

 

Either one, I know holley does not recommend the dominator for continues use in high ambient temps.

Spill the beans!!!

1 hour ago, Me78569 said:

@TFaoro  Not sure what you are looking at.  

Did you click the link and go to page 12 of the PDF? This is the cruise control stuff.

[jlbayes]

Aeromotive makes one. Look at the alcohol rated pumps. ;)

 

I fixed my oil leak too. Since you won't answer my text. :"0

[TFaoro]

1 minute ago, jlbayes said:

Aeromotive makes one. Look at the alcohol rated pumps. ;)

 

I fixed my oil leak too. Since you won't answer my text. :"0

I've been running like a chicken with my head cut off! It's sad when "Work" is where you get some spare time haha.

I'll text ya back when I'm off work. I'll look that pump up too, sounds interesting.

[jlbayes]

No worries I'm just 

[TFaoro]

6 minutes ago, jlbayes said:

No worries I'm just 

HOLY MOTHER OF PRICE TAG!!!!! https://www.aeromotiveinc.com/product-category/fuel-pumps/mechanical/

If it was a competition truck, maybe but for me that's a bit high.

If the A1000 will be reliable, I'll go with it. - You have any info on its reliability at 50psi or so?

[jlbayes]

This useless computer doesn't like the link.

 

Most I know run them 40-60psi. 40psi is more than plenty for a dd.

[TFaoro]

On ‎9‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 8:22 AM, TFaoro said:

Okay @Me78569, figure 1-310 or page 12 of the PDF: https://mopar1973man.com/external-media/pdf/2000Ramparts.pdf#view=FitB&page=252

I know I'll need #4 and #5 for sure. Do you think I'll need 9? I can build a bracket to hold it myself.

@Me78569 you're killing me  

[Me78569]

oops my bad.  I see it, I have no idea what it does hahahhaa.  

 

I think it helps smooth out changes in conditions.  

 

[TFaoro]

2 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

oops my bad.  I see it, I have no idea what it does hahahhaa.  

 

I think it helps smooth out changes in conditions.  

 

I'll try it without and if it works, great. If it doesn't work as well I'll pick one up.

Text me your address and I'll get at least the actuator ordered asap so you can start playing with it.

[TFaoro]

Started building the fuel system tonight. 

I ordered 2 filter heads, a Donaldson water separator, Donaldson 3um filter, 10 ORB to 10 ORB adapter, a 3/8 pushloc to 10 ORB fitting and two 1/2 pushloc to 10 ORB fittings.

I started with a 7.5" wide piece of 3/16 AR plate, cut two sections, and butt welded them together. I then drilled the holes for the filter bases and where it'll mount to the frame (We'll get there)

Then it wouldn't be mine if I didn't brace it with some 1.5" x 1/4" strap.

Then I really braced it  - FYI it'll hold all 220lbs of me against the frame with 1 tight bolt, so two filters should be fine!

Here's where it mounts to the frame. Those were both existing holes, so no structural integrity taken out of the frame. (1/2in bolts BTW)

Here you can see where the fuel line will run from the pump into the filters. BTW the closest mount to the camera is the rear cab mount. 

Here you can see where the Fass is mounted. I'll make a new bracket for the A1000 when I order it. 

Here's the bases and the mount mounted to the frame. 

Mounted with the filters

Here's a shot of how low the filters hang. They should be very well protected by the frame and traction bar mount.

Last picture. Now some of you may think this thing is rusting apart, but I swear all of the rusty color on the cab is diesel mixed with road base! 

[trreed]

Overkill much???  I was expecting zip ties...

[Dieselfuture]

Do you know if these are same filters fass uses 

[AH64ID]

The P551313 will fit a newer FASS, as will a P558000. 

 

I normally don't reccommend the P558000 at it doesn't have as good of f/w separation ratings as the Baldwin BF1212. 

[TFaoro]

8 hours ago, trreed said:

Overkill much???  I was expecting zip ties...

Maybe a touch  

I bet I could rip the filters completely off and the mount wouldn't move though!!

 

20 minutes ago, AH64ID said:

The P551313 will fit a newer FASS, as will a P558000. 

 

I normally don't reccommend the P558000 at it doesn't have as good of f/w separation ratings as the Baldwin BF1212. 

Here's the only thing I could find on it:

Fuel Filter Specs (BF1212):
Flow Capability: 210gph @ 1psid / >300gph @ 3psid
Filtration: 86% Efficient @ 4 micron / 99% Efficient @ 20 micron
Water Removal: 93% @ 60gph / 87% @ 120gph (based on 2500ppm free water injection)
(emulsified water removal will be approximately 3-5% less)
Burst Pressure: 150psi
Collapse Pressure: 100psid

 

Here's the Donaldson

Product Attributes

Outer Diameter:

3.66 Inches (93 MM)

Thread Size:

1-14 UN

Length:

7.68 Inches (195 MM)

Gasket OD:

2.80 Inches (71 MM)

Gasket ID:

2.40 Inches (61 MM)

Efficiency 99%:

15 MICRON

Efficiency Test Std:

SAE J1488, J1985

Emulsified H2O Efficiency:

85.00 PERCENT

Type:

Water Separator

Style:

Spin-On

Brand:

Twist&Drain™

Media Type:

Cellulose

Primary Application:

CUMMINS 3308638

Notes:

Not for Marine Applications

 

Considering I'll be running in the 120+gph range, the Donaldson looks to have a better efficiency at a smaller micron, and it removes emulsified water better. From what I find, the Baldwin is great for pre-pump because of its high flow rate with high efficiency. Am I missing something?

[AH64ID]

Where did you get that info on the BF1212?

 

The specs I show for the BF1212 have it at 99% free water removal and 95% emulsified water removal. 

 

210 GPH seems a lot higher than it should be too. I thought both of those were 90 GPH filters. 

 

Running more than 90 GPH generally takes HUGE filters or parallel filtration. Parallel filtration is the most common methond, thou that's not on these trucks. These trucks usually get more fuel than the filters are designed for. It why I'll only ever upgrade to a 90 GPH pump. 

[TFaoro]

14 minutes ago, AH64ID said:

Where did you get that info on the BF1212?

 

The specs I show for the BF1212 have it at 99% free water removal and 95% emulsified water removal. 

 

210 GPH seems a lot higher than it should be too. I thought both of those were 90 GPH filters. 

 

Running more than 90 GPH generally takes HUGE filters or parallel filtration. Parallel filtration is the most common methond, thou that's not on these trucks. These trucks usually get more fuel than the filters are designed for. It why I'll only ever upgrade to a 90 GPH pump. 

Do you have a link to your info? I couldn't find anything on their site and I already closed the tab where I found it haha.

I don't know how much fuel this Ppump will move, but it's a lot. My Fass 95 can't keep up - drops from 36psi to 18, and I've only got the pump set at 360cc's. It'll flow 450....