Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated with Quadzilla or Diesel Auto Power. I was simply asked to test the new updates because I have big injectors, I'm familiar with the Quad, and I know the person doing all of the tuning. This person wishes to remain anonymous, so it will stay that way.

On to the good stuff!!!

So what is V2? Basically it's a way to gain more control over the tuning parameters, with an emphasis on CLEAN POWER. I've got big injectors, and I've driven my own truck enough that I can drive it virtually smoke free, but I have to be very careful with the right petal (even when set to stock)

Here are the custom tuning parameters:

Alright, let's start with the power levels: 
0=stock
1=Power Percent (Explained later)
2=Fuel mileage (Same as the old number 1)
3=can-bus only (Same as old number 2)
4=can-bus + wiretap (same as old number 3)
and so on to the maximum level set is reached.

So, as you can see the first 8 parameters (through "TPS CAN Minimum") are the same as they've always been. They will function just like they used to.

The next two have to do with wiretap fueling. The "Boost Pump Scaling" gives the %specified of called for wiretap fueling if the boost is below the "boost pump low limit"
As an example:(Let's say it's set on level 10) In the pictures you can see I have the scaling set to 0% until 15psi. This means I'll get zero wiretap fueling until I hit 15psi of boost. If it was set at 50% I would get 600us of wiretap before 15psi. 
This greatly reduces the amount of smoke output without reducing your peak power.

Next we have Power Percent. This is the "new" level one! Here we have the percentage of stock power called for at all times. This is perfect to use for emissions testing, letting the wife/kids drive etc. This is also another way to reduce smoke if you're wanting to be really clean. 

Next is boost scaling. This is the same as it used to be. Just a smoothing feature.

Next we have PSI% listed 0-17 in increments of 1. This feature allows you to set the amount of stock power based on boost. It allows you to ramp up the power from 0-17psi, effectively reducing smoke and making the truck more driveable.

 

Now for my experience with testing.

 

Level 1: With my truck stock, I can floor it at any time and create quite a cloud of smoke. You'd swear I have a tuner cranked, but it's not. With my truck set to 70%, I can floor it while doing 55mph in 6th and get as big of a puff as a stock 24V. Meanwhile it'll pull about 34psi @ 2000rpm and 40psi by 2500rpm.  It does make the truck a little doggy, but I could adjust the percentage up as I saw fit and still keep smoke to a minimum. This would be perfect if someone were to borrow my truck (never going to happen but you get the point) They could try to hotrod it as much as they want but won't be able to. I do think this would make emissions a breeze to pass, and it could be used as a safety device to keep the truck from being stolen. Essentially you can set it to 1% and the truck would only idle.

 

Now for the PSI%: With the power level turned up around 1500rpm I can stab the throttle (0psi of boost) and get nothing more than a slight haze until the boost picks up and the quad starts fueling hard. Spool is still excellent under these conditions, I just need to work on my top-end fuel command to reduce the smoke up there. This has made the biggest difference in CLEAN power. The quad is essentially rolling into the throttle for you as the boost comes up so you don't cloud the highway when you get on it. 

Now the "Boost pump scaling" and "boost pump low limit": The wiretap fueling is essentially it's "own" programmer. It doesn't follow the rules of the can-bus fueling. This was taking effect in my description above because it doesn't wiretap fuel for me until 15psi of boost. Thus why it's only a haze until 15psi.

 

Now, what I'm not quite happy with yet. Off idle, if I stab the throttle on level 1 I get a puff of smoke. I am told this is because of where the quad takes over and starts controlling things. It's being worked on and should be fixed soon. Other than that I'm very happy! I do have only 20 miles or so of testing, but this does look very promising. I'll be putting 50 miles on in the morning and 50 miles in the afternoon, so I'll have more info then.

Any questions post em up and I'll do my best to answer them. The future of clean power for 24V's looks promising  

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by Me78569
Changed the title for SEO reasons

Man I wish I knew what you're talking about. .....All that automatic stuff, for some reason I always liked shifting gears. Maybe when I get older I'll change my mind. 

Definitely happy this quadzilla thing is working out for a lot of people, now that we're getting a hang of it, not sure how we did it before. 

2 hours ago, Dieselfuture said:

Man I wish I knew what you're talking about. .....All that automatic stuff, for some reason I always liked shifting gears. Maybe when I get older I'll change my mind. 

Definitely happy this quadzilla thing is working out for a lot of people, now that we're getting a hang of it, not sure how we did it before. 

Just turned 64 this month. Still like shifting gears. An auto is in the future if I find one at the right time. I wish I had known of the quad. Bought a Comp a few months before this new Quad came out. Aint life a B****!!!

I had some spare time after work today, so I did some WOT runs from a stop to try to start nailing down a decent tune. I have attached 2 logs and 2 videos. One set is Level 0, the other set is my preliminary daily driver tune on level 3.

 

Here's my hacked up dash and android head unit, haha.

 

 

Here is the Level 0 Video and log:

 

kzimmer_Lvl0_Mar30_17.mp4

 

LEVEL 0iQuad-2017-03-30-06.58.412080200830.csv

 

And the Level 3 video and log:

 

kzimmer_Lvl3_Mar30_17.mp4

 

LVL 3 iQuad-2017-03-30-07.07.03442291080.csv

 

The video doesn't really do the smoke on level zero justice. It's ugly. I haven't picked apart the logs yet. Level 3 the smoke cleans up fairly well. Can't take it all away or spool up time suffers too much. However, after my WOT run on level 3, I got a rough, low idle as soon as I came close to a stop after I decelerated. Sounded pretty unhappy. Tough for me to describe but it sounds similar to a couple of the other fellas. Almost like it was struggling to keep running or at least maintain idle. This lasted for maybe 10-15 seconds at most, and it cleared up and ran fine after that. I think I blipped the throttle a little bit once which may have ended it. It should be caught in my level 3 log.

 

Here's Rev 1 of my DD tune. Thanks to whoever I copied the template from!

 

Power Levels: 9
RPM Limit: 3200

Maximum Valet Mode Power: 40%

 

Maximum Fuel Stretch: 1200
TPS Pump Maximum: 100%
TPS Pump Minimum: 50%
Minimum Pump Tap Fuel Percentage: 0%
Pump Low Boost Scale PSI: 25
Boost Scaling: 40

Max Load Timing Offset: 2
Low PSI Timing Reduct: 3.5
Timing Reduct Scaling: 100%
Cruise Timing Adv: 4

Cruise Timing Boost PSI Limit: 20
Timing vs rpm
1500: 15
2000: 18
2500: 22
3000: 24
Max: 26
 
0 PSI %: 67
1 PSI %: 67
2 PSI %: 67
3 PSI %: 67
4 PSI %: 67
5 PSI %: 67
6 PSI %: 68
7 PSI %: 68
8 PSI %: 69
9 PSI %: 70
10 PSI %: 71
11 PSI %: 72
12 PSI %: 74
13 PSI %: 76
14 PSI %: 78
15 PSI %: 80
16 PSI %: 82
18 PSI %: 86
20 PSI %: 90
22 PSI %: 96
24 PSI %: 102
26 PSI %: 108
28 PSI %: 114
30 PSI %: 120

 

That's all for now. I still need to rip through the logs and see if I can find anything interesting.

 

 

You can see the RPM floating around after I let off. Timing is doing something weird as well. It's sitting higher than normal. I don't know which one is reacting from the other. Canbus fueling is messing around as well. Did not include that on this chart but it's in the data.

 

 

Man that's a big improvement Thanks a ton for the videos !!   On your current tune how much snap throttle input can you use before you see smoke of any kind?  You might also try playing with the timing reduction some.  Rather than 3.5 try 1.5 does smoke get better or worse?   Then try 4* and see what happens. 

 

Some guys are reporting less smoke with more timing and some are reporting less smoke with less timing... I dunno I just coded it lol.

 

 

Do you feel it is possible to do a %100 clean tune if you ignore the lack of spool?  IE an emissions tune?  

 

 

 

Looking at the Grahp, TPS = 0 so the ecm is asking for that ( odd).  Mike struggled with this too and it ended up being tired injectors.    

Videos  on youtube

 

 

1 hour ago, Me78569 said:

Man that's a big improvement Thanks a ton for the videos !!

Agreed, and no problem it's my pleasure, that was fun as hell!

 

1 hour ago, Me78569 said:

On your current tune how much snap throttle input can you use before you see smoke of any kind?

That's tough, because no matter how much I snap from 0 tps, I get the same puff every time before the Quad "takes over". The LVL 3 video I gave a very feathered 2-5% ish throttle before I floored it to remove the puff for the video and for tuning, because it can be misleading.

 

1 hour ago, Me78569 said:

You might also try playing with the timing reduction some.  Rather than 3.5 try 1.5 does smoke get better or worse?   Then try 4* and see what happens.

That's a good idea. I started at 4* first and 3.5 seemed to yield an improvement in smoke. I'll play more.

 

1 hour ago, Me78569 said:

Do you feel it is possible to do a %100 clean tune if you ignore the lack of spool?  IE an emissions tune?

Yes, no problem, although it might get a little sluggish. That being said, I think I could get dangerously close to 100%, still destroy a stock truck, and pass emissions.

 

2 hours ago, Me78569 said:

Looking at the Grahp, TPS = 0 so the ecm is asking for that ( odd).  Mike struggled with this too and it ended up being tired injectors.    

Videos  on youtube

I hope I don't need injectors, these ones have less than 13,000 KMS on them. But they are cheap ish... I think I might take 0.5 - 1.0 degree timing off 2500 and 3500 rpms and see what happens. Thanks for putting it on YouTube, that's awesome!

 

If anyone is curious, 0-30PSI spool up time was 3.3 seconds on stock Level 0 smoke, and 4.0 seconds on my Level 3. Only a 0.7 second loss, so far. I think I can improve that still. Anybody with compounds have spool times logged? I'm very curious what the norm is.

 

-Kole

 

 

Here's an interesting snip from http://dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/FAQ/timing.htm. I can't remember if this information made it into this thread. This is based on Advancing/Retarding static timing on a P7100, but the same principles should apply to our dynamic adjust ability on the 24 valve engines. I could see myself playing for hours... days...weeks... I need a dyno.

 

 

 

Awesome job on the tune and I wouldn't worry too much about the idle if I were you.  Mine has done it for years and can idle anywhere from 790-850 depending on the ambient temperature, truck temp, mood, etc..

 

Do you have an HO pump or an SO?

2 hours ago, Carbur8tr said:

Awesome job on the tune and I wouldn't worry too much about the idle if I were you.  Mine has done it for years and can idle anywhere from 790-850 depending on the ambient temperature, truck temp, mood, etc..

 

Do you have an HO pump or an SO?

Thanks, it's running pretty good. I'm exercising the boost limit at 45 psi now though... I can force an intentional slip in my trans at low rpm 55+ psi... And I just put the damn thing back in. Should have swapped in a manual. Oh well.

 

It's not so much the RPM I was worried about, but the rough off balance idle. I believe its an SO pump, unless someone replaced it at some point.

Are you still running a single disk converter? If so, that's why you're slipping.

@Me78569 anything worth noting in this data log?

iQuad-2017-04-11-04.42.001914787674.csv

Is there an issue or something you are looking to fix?  I can't remember my last name these days so you are gonna have to help me out.  

Seems to be surging a little at around 18 PSI boost. Tried smoothing the can bus fueling so there wasn't as much of a jump but that didn't do the trick. 

Is it limited to only boost or is it in a given rpm ranges or to range etc?  

 

 

Once I have some filters to apply to can take a peek.

My quad BT then losing connection at random tryed different devices just does not want to connect, seems  to work for a while then just says cannot connect,  any ideas. It's under the hood with the quad box maybe that's why.

It says device connection lost.

Edited April 13, 20177 yr by Dieselfuture

Being under the hood shouldn't make a difference.  Have you checked all grounds/power connections?  See any corrosion anywhere?

Everything is spotless and I always use Dielectric grease, funny thing is I can pair and unpair with a device at any time so signal is getting through, but something fishy going on. I put it in a slightly different place under the hood see if it makes a difference

Do you have any other electronics in the truck that use blue tooth?  Did you have any devices in the truck that might emit a blue tooth signal that might have caused interference?

On ‎4‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 6:44 AM, Dieselfuture said:

Everything is spotless and I always use Dielectric grease, funny thing is I can pair and unpair with a device at any time so signal is getting through, but something fishy going on. I put it in a slightly different place under the hood see if it makes a difference

What device are you using? phone? tablet? I use a dedicated Android tablet velcroed to the sunvisor

@xxTJRocksxx s5,s6 I moved quad BT slightly under hood and it seems to be working. I did notice last time it happened, it seems like it wants to freeze up and not communicate if I change from tune to tune too often. And then it would just say connection lost with device, but how can a connection be lost if I can pair and unpair at any time,  just feels like it glitches out and freezes up. We'll see what happens since I moved it it's working.

@Carbur8tr yes my stereo has a Bluetooth for phone. But the phone I'm using for quad is not paired with it and it doesn't even have a SIM card in it, it's deactivated. But I see your point how it could still mess with the signal.

Edited April 17, 20177 yr by Dieselfuture