Are you living in the area of isis' hit list?

[hex0rz]

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.1304/isis-releases-kill-list-of-us-cities.html

I live near a few places..

Keep your powder dry.

[Killer223]

really?? Bonners Ferry ID like that would cause a disruption to much of anything... They would be more apt to target Sand Point as there is a big Naval base there.

i don't believe these lists for one second.

yes the power is dry and the actions clean. but still.. this in and of it's self causes panic among the people. stupid.

[CSM]

From my perspective, the main take away from this is awareness.  We have a real enemy that our Government has been unable to control recently.  Personally, I would say that getting some real professional pistol training and a concealed carry weapons permit is likely the best option. There is no substitute for real training.  If that doesn't work, a good knife is never a bad option.  And lastly, as always, cardio & exercise! 

[IBMobile]

Carlsbad, CA is the city just to the west of me.  It has the same things in it that other small cities have except for a new desalination plant and LEGOLAND theme park .  It's also 5 miles south of Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton.  I'm locked and loaded.   

[dripley]

The main weapon these people have is fear. If they make us afraid, make us change the way we do things out of fear of them they will win that part of the battle for now. Me, other than be more aware of my surroundings, I aint changing anything. I do not fear them and will not live my life in fear. You still have to deal with added security every where, just a fact of life these days. These people disgust me, watch some of their videos and see how much they enjoy the killing.

[notlimah]

Stay frosty my friends!

I've been ordering as much ammo as my budget will allow recently!!

pew pew!

[hex0rz]

I would like to add, that This should only continue to motivate us and Keep us in sober mind.

I've seen some videos of people give isis warnings what it Will be like if they try something in America.

These people have good intentions, but lack common sense it seems. This doesn't even apply to terrorists strictly:

When a gunman comes into a place to make his move, no one in the area Will know he's about to do something sinister. It's not until he exposes himself to others with his actions that he's a bad guy.

Unless you Keep your head on a swivel 100% of the time and know how to read a persons body language, your not going to pick up on anything until it's too late to prevent it. At This point it's mitigation work.

People think they're gong to identify themselves as isis. Not true. When our soldiers are over there fighting they don't know who the bad guy is until it's too late.

It Will happen here like that as well. They Will blend in with us, they have the advantage over us because they have the time and control to identify who their threats Will be before they attack.

Your goal is to be like every other unsuspecting person out there that doesn't raise their red flag to you. You need to gain the upper hand on then by ensuring you can overcome their psychological/guerrilla warfare and stop them if it ever comes to it.

You be the one to have the surprise on them, not the other way around. Don't advertise yourself to them. They Will look for clues on who to go after first.

It's too bad our government doesn't require everyone to put time in the service. I think everyone should go through boot camp and basic training. Everyone should have weapons Proficiencies. This would help them deal with stressful situations too.

But since we are not like the Swiss or Israelis, we just need to do it ourselves. Get basic training at your local range and learn how to handle yourself. Join a martial arts place. Learn the hand to hand self defense you need. It Will keep you in shape too.

Your not rambo, you won't overcome them like that. You need to think like, a spy... Haha.

[Wild and Free]

"It's too bad our government doesn't require everyone to put time in the service. I think everyone should go through boot camp and basic training. Everyone should have weapons Proficiencies. This would help them deal with stressful situations too. "

 

Be very careful what you wish for.

[CSM]

3 minutes ago, Wild and Free said:

"It's too bad our government doesn't require everyone to put time in the service. I think everyone should go through boot camp and basic training. Everyone should have weapons Proficiencies. This would help them deal with stressful situations too. "

 

Be very careful what you wish for.

I like the all volunteer service.  However, I do think that when we have a huge discrepancy compared to previous generations as less than 1% has ever served.  I liked it better when we had less contractors and social services and more military personnel learning and working.  

[Wild and Free]

 

With all the negativity in the world now days I decided to show a positive post for once...................................

 

[CTcummins24V]

Lock and load. I will be stocking up on ammo with my Christmas bonus this year! And maybe another side arm

[hex0rz]

I honestly believe that When a person finishes high school, it's 4years mandatory service. It doesn't have to be all combat. It would be like going to college but paying Your tuition in service for the country.

You get boot camp, basic training, then you go into a special skill set that Your test tells you that you would most likely be proficient in.

Not only do you serve in defense of the country, but after you gained a skill set that you can use in the private sector.

So many times during and after high school I was asked what I wanted to do. I thought to myself what do I want. I don't know!

It want until I was in my mid twenties that I realized what I wanted. Keep the confused, lazy or doubtful kids fresh out of high school from going into debt becoming constructive to the country and give them time they need to make a decision on what to pursue.

...just a thought.

Edited December 16, 2015 by hex0rz

[Wild and Free]

Pretty broad brush to paint there. Take My father as an example, he was an only child and my grand father had a 5k acre farm to run, what then? This is just to get the thinker going as to making it 100% broad stroke that everyone must do it.

Having 25 years in the work force and actively worked with many many ex military members with "Specialty" skills is not something to brag about, I have seen it personally many times and have work places where they had been burned by hiring so called "Specialists" in certain areas where they were the most worthless folks on the job, training and skills lacked big time coming out of the military.

 

Some got it many do not.

 

I purposely did not join the military as I coming from a large farm and having been in control of my own life would not have done good at all taking orders from someone I do not know or respect. I would have been kicked out within hours of someone being in my face, I am of the "Give me a job and get out of my way type of guy"  Not a give me orders and micro- manage me while its being done personality.

I have tried to edit my post several times and add more info but it keeps disappearing when I submit it WTH???

Guess I have to do it this way.

 

I also know many many folks coming from the more advanced positions of certain branches like air force, navy and coast guard with superb skills who do excellent in the civilian work life and are some of the most successful folks I know as well.

Edited December 16, 2015 by Wild and Free

[Mopar1973Man]

I'm the same way Wild & Free. I can work for very few people because of clash of personalities or differences. I know that if I was to enlist in the military I would not survive the abusive nature how they treat recruits.

After coming out of ITT Tech and getting my first job as a cable assembler in California. After a bad fall out with my Hispanic boss basically told him I wanted my last pay check and was walking out the door. After that I've always managed to stand on my own two feet and provide a job of some sort. I've been hired or ask by people to work for them like "Lindy" or "Steve" both I had issues with at some point or another. Still keep coming back to working by myself and on my own. 

So as for defending my family and myself. I will do what I have to. Like with all my fire fighter training. I've found that no matter how much training you have your never ready for that next scene. The only thing I can say is some people like myself can think fast on the feet and problem solve rapidly. So as for protection some times you have to act like that deer. Fight or flee natural reaction and being able to think fast on your feet.

 

Edited December 16, 2015 by Mopar1973Man

[CSM]

I like seeing motivated guys.  Unfortunately, the military of Ike Eisenhower's day isn't the military we have today.  We can't treat it as such.  I could get into present day politics and realities, but it wouldn't do much good. 

Having met you, Bill, I actually think you would have done well in the military.  Don't sell yourself short.  You would have likely learned discretion/tolerance for BS quickly and then would have done quite well once you got to your end tech school / job.  You would also have dealt with it with your current dry and great sense of humor.  No great loss to you though, as you have done great professionally and personally and have had a lot of fun in your life.  

Your problem, would be the same as many... the bureaucracy would drive you nuts.   

I've worked with former military that sucked at a lot of things and depended on the bureaucracy and constant direction to get through life.  However, those guys are the minority, and I will say some of the US Navy electronics guys are some of the absolute best technicians that I've ever seen.  Something about great fundamental training and then giving them 1950s-1980s equipment and maintaining it helps I suppose. 

The big take aways that most guys who do one hitch of enlisted life is an ability to follow directions, ability to understand and meet set standards, attention to detail, a sense of self confidence, and last but definitely not least an understanding of sacrifice and overcoming hardship.  I learned a lot more about myself than the military taught me during basic training.  It sucked, but I made it through.  I am not the same person who signed up, I am better, even if a little more cynical. 

I went through similar things when I started working professionally in a very crazy industry that sent me to North Dakota, however it was different.  A lot of the skills that you learned very young have not been learned by men much older than you.  Most military guys are forced to learn, or at least accept, some of the lessons that you learned on your own on a Farm in ND.  

These skills you learned, (and M73M would be similar) would make life SUCK at basic training as you alreadly learned them on a self study course!  However, it is necessary.  You guys learned to deal with weather, reality, broken knuckles, dead and sick animals, etc in REAL LIFE.  The military, unfortunately, can't simulate real life in a controlled environment.  So they use the traditional methods to teach lessons and weed out those who very clearly just can't deal with stress or follow simple directions like don't salute indoors (true story).  

I really did know a guy who got kicked out of training for being unable to remember not to salute indoors...  He was rather weird and totally scared to death by the things the rest of us sucked up and then laughed about privately.

Edited December 16, 2015 by CSM

[Mopar1973Man]

9 minutes ago, CSM said:

These skills you learned, (and M73M would be similar) would make life SUCK at basic training.  However, it is necessary.  You guys learned to deal with weather, reality, broken knuckles, dead and sick animals, etc in REAL LIFE.  The military, unfortunately, can't simulate real life in a controlled environment.  So they use the traditional methods to teach lessons and weed out those who very clearly just can't deal with stress or follow simple directions like don't salute indoors (true story).

That right there in my mind doesn't compute...

I've spent plenty of time in the back country doing search and rescue missions and fire fighting. I hate to say it there is no way to teach this stuff in a classroom. You have to be put right in the field into the stress and find your place. Like myself I'm NOT a front line fire fighter. I'm a pump panel expert or engine boss. My limited vision without my glass prevents me from being front line. So I specialized in different fields that most don't like. Still rather demanding because I'm accountable for my crews in the field and for equipment coming and going fetching water.  I will admit I have respect for my fellow fire fighter and very aware of some that have more experience in different field than I do. I'm smart and take advantage of these folks and put their knowledge to use when I have them. Let's say I'm an odd duck. No matter how rough things get I always manage to pull through and complete the tour be it Search & Rescue or Fire Fighting.

 

Edited December 16, 2015 by Mopar1973Man

[CSM]

16 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

That right there in my mind doesn't compute...

I've spent plenty of time in the back country doing search and rescue missions and fire fighting. I hate to say it there is no way to teach this stuff in a classroom. You have to be put right in the field into the stress and find your place. Like myself I'm NOT a front line fire fighter. I'm a pump panel expert or engine boss. My limited vision without my glass prevents me from being front line. So I specialized in different fields that most don't like. Still rather demanding because I'm accountable for my crews in the field and for equipment coming and going fetching water.  I will admit I have respect for my fellow fire fighter and very aware of some that have more experience in different field than I do. I'm smart and take advantage of these folks and put their knowledge to use when I have them. Let's say I'm an odd duck. No matter how rough things get I always manage to pull through and complete the tour be it Search & Rescue or Fire Fighting.

 

It is a time and honestly cost issue and always has been.  It is also tradition, which I respect.  We can't afford to train thousands of new trainees/cadets/recruits/officer candidates a month with the real life stressors that you've felt in your life.  It isn't possible to make it real without really making it risky to hurt some kids, which nobody wants. 

The training definitely isn't all classroom. I've been in tents many times. I've been in the woods many times. I've done training that took me to my physical and mental breaking point that isn't going to be discussed here. Basic training example: Doing military drill isn't about marching and looking pretty.  It is about the basics of attention to detail and whatnot, but it is also about introducing something that very few people have done to a group and stressfully making them learn it.  Then, they have to use their newfound "skills" to go forth and make their way about their twisted little 12 week world until they graduate. If they fail, they get lit up.  If they do good, they don't get lit up as much.  The kids need to learn how to deal with screw ups and fix it.  There is a saying, "if you're gonna be dumb, you'd better be tough!"

A lot of it was sucky "tradition" and part of "the training environment."  I didn't understand it while I was in it, but after having been out of it and led enlisted folks who also went through similar suck, I value it and am proud of it.  It is taken to extreme at times,but it does have value.  It is also just basic training.  It is a course to see if a kid can hack it enough to make it through his hitch.  The real training and the real character of the kids become evident and grow in their follow on training with their real jobs. 

Edited December 16, 2015 by CSM

[dripley]

Well look at the ant hill that got kicked open. The passion i see amongst you all must certainly be similar to the passion that that was felt by this country in 1941. Millions signed up and served. Many like my father signed up for the duration. No discharge until the war was over. That war was more cut and dry than anything we have faced since. Allies and the Axis, uniforms and large armies. Well defined warfare on a scale never seen before, and all the while civilians sitting in the line of fire. Many more of them died than combatants. The wars we have fought since have been anything but cut and dry and for the most have not been fought to a conclusion. The Korean War was never resolved, Vietnam, we left and the North Vietnamese walked over the South. We did kick Sadam out of Kuwait. Then we kicked Sadam out or Iraq and now ISIS has taken over parts of Irag and Syria and the crap just goes on and on.

Bill and Mike, I think both of you would have made it thru boot camp and  thrived. You both would have made up to  NCO status very quickly and most likely beyond if you wanted the officer status. You would have brought many recruits thru the same to give them a chance to make it thru alive. That is what a good NCO does. I remember when the Army and Marine Corps took a lot of heat for their harshness in training back in the 70's. I did not know it then, but they were training these kids for combat and trying give to them what they needed to survive.

I do understand being independent and not wanting to be micro managed. I, like the both of you and many of us dont need someone looking over our shoulder constantly. Since I have been in the superintendent business, had I had to bow down to some one in an office 300 miles away trying to tell me how to run the job I would be doing something else for a living. As it stands now., I have been thru boot camp, paid my dues and now am in charge. Once we are awarded a job, the project manager writes all the contracts then hands it over to me and I build it. Main emphasis on "I". It is mine to run as I see fit. As long as all is well nobody questions how I do it as long as it gets done on time and on budget.

 I seem to be stretching out my words here. But the passion I see here is what I have grown accustomed to over the years and all of you have my respect, 

[CSM]

Ant hill or not.  Civilian or Military.  If you are a good man or good woman, God Bless ya!    We are all in this together, and no matter what happens.  A darn lot of us take that oath of office pretty seriously!  ;)

[hex0rz]

Man look at the hornets nest I kicked!

I'm sure I'll catch heat for saying this, but if someone didn't want to cooperate and go the gambit, then it's a form of punishment or imprisonment for the time they're supposed to serve.

I dunno how other countries do it that require their citizens to serve a set time, but it seems like they still get the job done...

It's all thinking out loud and whatnot, guess it don't matter anyways, I'm not going to be president lol.