Synthetic VS Standard oil

[AH64ID]

Yes, synthetic resists breakdown better as well has holds its grade better in extreme temp. Not all synthetics are created equal thou, as some are barely a synthetic but can carry the same label as a full synthetic. 

[Royal Squire]

Do you have any examples of barely synthetics?

[AH64ID]

Here is a good article talking about Group III, most common "synthetic" in the US, and Group IV. 

 

https://recondoil.com/synthetic-oil-guide/

 

another good article.. it's on amsoils site but doesn't seem to push much more than basic info. 

 

https://blog.amsoil.com/how-much-synthetic-is-in-my-oil/

 

Most run of the mill synthetics are Group III

Redline is a Group IV

Amsoil is a Group IV, aside from OE and XL line

 

 

Most conventional oils are Group II, most synthetics are Group III. Group III does preform better than Group II, but there isn't a set standard on how much has to be modified to make it a Group III so resutls will vary between oils. Group IV will outpreform Group II and Group III. 

 

Now at the end of the day the average user will likely not see much of a difference. Operation in extreme temps is a big benefit to Group IV as well as extended intervals. 

 

All modern oils are pretty darn good. 

 

I run a Group III Amsoil in my Jeep and Group IV Amsoils in my Ram and 4Runner. 

[Threadzy]

My brother in-law is a truck driver. He delivers fuel for a Chevron jobber. A few years ago Caterpillar  tried to get them to sell their oil. They left them a sample. Well yesterday they were cleaning up the shop and they asked if anybody wanted the sample. Otherwise they were going to recycle  it. So guess what this guy got? One oil change with it can’t hurt! 

[AH64ID]

CI-4.... that could be more than a few years old 

 

There are still a few of them out there, but not many and not by any big name brands that I’m aware of. 

[Threadzy]

4 minutes ago, AH64ID said:

CI-4.... that could be more than a few years old 

 

There are still a few of them out there, but not many and not by any big name brands that I’m aware of. 

Sooooooo leave it in the jugs? ?

[dripley]

2 hours ago, Threadzy said:

Sooooooo leave it in the jugs? ?

Nothing wrong with it. A lot of Cl oils went thru most everyones here when it was the prevalent oil out there.

[AH64ID]

7 hours ago, Threadzy said:

Sooooooo leave it in the jugs? ?

No, Assuming your sig truck is what you plan to run it in. CI is a great oil, much better than CJ. CK is finally a little better but not enough to not run CI. CI won’t work on anything with a DPF thou. 
 

I ran CI in my 05 until CK came out. 

[Mopar1973Man]

I ran all of it...  CI-4 when in was common, then CJ-4 when it was common, and CK-4 now. Nothing bad will happen 415k miles later still runs strong and works just fine. I look at it this way all the millions of vehicles loaded with CJ-4 didn't blow up or melt down. Semi trucks, new vehicles (Dodge, Ford and Chevy). I didn't go hunting for only CI-4 because the scare of CJ-4 was so bad. Nope it all worked just fine. Now if I was seeing lots of engine failures and meltdowns from oil related failures. Never did. I check with other local shops and how many thousands of GALLONS of CJ-4 diesel engine oil was sold. No issues reported. Even check the local logging company if they had any issues with CJ-4 oils.If there was a problem with CJ-4 oils do you think a logging company would buy thousands of gallons of CJ-4 that is going to damaged the entire fleet of trucks and skidder equipment? Nope. If there was something bad about CJ-4 I wouldn't be at 415k miles now. 

 

I look at the CJ-4 as a hype thing... 

 

Edited June 19, 2020 by Mopar1973Man

[Threadzy]

2 hours ago, AH64ID said:

Assuming your sig truck is what you plan to run it in

Yes. Plan on changing it tomorrow. Are those Donaldson filters sold at Napa or at a local parts house? 

[AH64ID]

1 hour ago, Mopar1973Man said:

I ran all of it...  CI-4 when in was common, then CJ-4 when it was common, and CK-4 now. Nothing bad will happen 415k miles later still runs strong and works just fine. I look at it this way all the millions of vehicles loaded with CJ-4 didn't blow up or melt down. Semi trucks, new vehicles (Dodge, Ford and Chevy). I didn't go hunting for only CI-4 because the scare of CJ-4 was so bad. Nope it all worked just fine. Now if I was seeing lots of engine failures and meltdowns from oil related failures. Never did. I check with other local shops and how many thousands of GALLONS of CJ-4 diesel engine oil was sold. No issues reported. Even check the local logging company if they had any issues with CJ-4 oils.If there was a problem with CJ-4 oils do you think a logging company would buy thousands of gallons of CJ-4 that is going to damaged the entire fleet of trucks and skidder equipment? Nope. If there was something bad about CJ-4 I wouldn't be at 415k miles now. 

 

I look at the CJ-4 as a hype thing... 

 

 

So now the only way to state a spec is good or bad is by oil related failures?

 

An oil spec doesn't have to cause catastrophic failure to not be the best spec, nor is it hype. 

 

It's great that CJ is not longer the spec . It certainly worked but it wasn't great. There is a reason that CI is still made by a few manufacturers and CJ isn't. 

 

Plenty of info on how CK is an improved oil, simple as that. 

[dripley]

27 minutes ago, Threadzy said:

Yes. Plan on changing it tomorrow. Are those Donaldson filters sold at Napa or at a local parts house? 

I have not seen them local around here. Bought mjne at filterspro.com. Amazon has them also. Google the filter #. You dhoulf find them for $10 to $12 including shipping. 

[AH64ID]

I used to be able to find them local making a few phone calls and custom orders, but the price wasn't worth it. 

 

I get them by the pair on amazon for $12ish. 

[Threadzy]

Just ordered a pack of 3 off Amazon. $35 shipped. Thank you gentlemen. 

[dripley]

6 hours ago, Threadzy said:

Just ordered a pack of 3 off Amazon. $35 shipped. Thank you gentlemen. 

you are welcome. Thanks to @AH64ID for this one