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2012 Range Rover...... not foreign to me but a right POS


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My brother has a 2012 range rover 6 cylinder V6 diesel, he did about 6 hours work with me last night servicing and repairs to  a Cat 950H on a site I look after in return for me doing a fault on a range rover POS

Fault is low boost code P1247 turns out the intake manifold right hand side (plastic FFS)  is cracked, believe it or not it is also the cam cover, it has took 8 hrs to get the cover off, no access to anything at all, brother tells me IF the 2 turbos (1 each side) need replacing it's £5K to take the body off to get to them and after looking this is the way to do turbos on this junk.

I have been a  proper UK apprentiship trained diesel mechanic for 43 years and the idiots that designed rubbish this should be shot, just utter mechanical garbage, I have never in my life seen so many sensors in such a small space.

here's one, a bolt screws into a bracket holding lines  the head is 1/4" from the bulkhead right under the scuttle panel where the wipers poke through, screws in from the BACK, bolt is 1" long and it pokes through the bracket and stops the whole intake/cam cover from coming up and off, if it's undone it never comes out far enough to just lift off the cover, might just stove a hole in the bulkhead to put the new piece back on.

here's a tip from the UK...... DO NOT ever buy any Range Rover newer than mid 90's cos boy are they dog s### and if you come across one with the driver thinking he's the dogs just laugh and smile cos they are really a joke

Trying to get my brother into a  2nd gen ram but I'm struggling with it as he's clown

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Do it, just drill the hole or punch it through the firewall (bulkhead).   In the late 70's and early 80's The camshaft lobs and rocker arms were going flat in the Volvo B27 V-6 engine due to lack of oiling between them.   The easiest way to replace the cam shaft and rocker arms was to slid the shaft the rock arms road on to the firewall, mark where the shaft made contact,  drill a hole there. and finish by sliding the shaft through the hole into the passenger compartment.  Next was to slide the cam shaft to the firewall and drill another bigger hole for for it to slide through then I'd go to the other side of the engine and do the same thing there.   

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All of these new cars are a POS to work on.   Every thing crammed into a small engine compartment where you have to take four things off to get to the problem or like the Ford trucks where you have to take the cab off of the chassis to work on the engine.  Engine parts made of plastic or carbon fiber that last until the warranty is up.  They should stake the engineers to an ant hill with honey on their 337038688_animated-smileys-astonished-221.gif.97fca92dc2ff7ac14e36e734700c4d40.gif  

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well I agree with all the above.... finally got it off last night, it's wet with oil on the outside and a local LR specialist had already took a look and said straight away that was the problem.

 seperate areas to it, 6 intake runners, 3 injectors tubes, these sit in the head but pass through this cover/intake manifold, camshaft cover

https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-LR032724--SelectedCurrency-1?gclid=Cj0KCQjw8IaGBhCHARIsAGIRRYrkU39k2cVyeCSvvNzocxZpQFVBLVFxyT6Cv6M_gMBfRye86-Kw5UoaAh2eEALw_wcB

 

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/range-rover/100621/tdv6-27-litre-diesel-engine

 

Worst thing is he's been talking to a guy about a deal on a 2000 ram 1500 5.2, yes I know a 1500 but hey start somewhere I say.  About half way into getting this cover off the guy messages my brother and said he'd swap the ram for the RR and give my brother £1500 cash, we had gone too far to put it back together by this time

it's a gen 2 2wd QCSB, recently painted, trans rebuilt, rear axle rebuilt, heater core, intake gasket, radiator, headers, twin exhaust and a load more, I'm trying to tell him compared to his RR the ram would be easy to maintain

and another guy with a early gen 3  2wd with the 5.9 v8

 

 

Here's another...... we go on about cool diesel and lowering diesel temps, this thing has common rail, both left and right sit right above the exhaust and egr valves, remove the common rail and then strip the egr valve in a gap around 2" wide because one of the cover bolts is behind the mounting bracket for the egr and another bolt for the bracket wont come out until the egr motor is removed.

This job in the RR specialists close by is over £1k

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My hearing must be bad... you say they're making engine parts from reinforced plastic? 

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@JAG1Large amount of intake manifolds are plastic. Valve covers too.

 

All post 2003? Hemis, LS motors, the EcoDiesels (dont start me on those. Had one. No issues but stupidity abounds with those motors), most of the V6's from Dodge I think.. All plastic intake manifolds. 

 

All in the name of thermal efficiency, weight, cost, and emissions.

 

Unless I'm missing some sarcasm... :think:  :shrug:

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9 hours ago, JAG1 said:

My hearing must be bad... you say they're making engine parts from reinforced plastic? 

Your hearing must be really bad there mate...... no mention of reinforced, it is just plastic, melt your soda bottle, dye it black and thats about it

Apparently it's a known problem, original part was made too thin :doh:  Now these designers who BTW call themselves engineers (couldn't engineer there way out of a paper bag) couldn't figure out that plastic/heat/expansion spells failure, it is all bolted to an aluminium head and I'll bet the two expand at just the same rate NOT

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3 hours ago, Dieselfuture said:

I believe it's all by design...

planned failure incorporated into the cost :spend: of keeping it running. Deiselfuture can keep a truck running for years on returned beer cans.:thumb1:

 

Ever notice there aren't many stores selling LR parts? That's because there's so many broke down the side of the road abandoned, you just take what you need. Sorry Will440 :sofa:

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LR = Landrover

4 hours ago, JAG1 said:

planned failure incorporated into the cost :spend: of keeping it running. Deiselfuture can keep a truck running for years on returned beer cans.:thumb1:

 

Ever notice there aren't many stores selling LR parts? That's because there's so many broke down the side of the road abandoned, you just take what you need. Sorry Will440 :sofa:

 

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LR and RR used to be the best 4x4 you could buy here IF you wanted the vehicle to work, the series 1, 2 and 3  offroad where unbeatable, on road they were noisy,slow and underpowered and horrible to drive until 4 low was engaged and offroad 

The 90's and 110's  were better both on and off road, I used to compete in trials in a 1983 110, I have lots of pictures somewhere, in one I'm driving through water 6" up the windscreen, it did have a snorkel to the roof line

Early Range Rovers were good too, here they made a great base for a landrover by using the RR 100" chassis and cutting a series 2 or 3 body to fit, or make a pickup out of a RR

They went rubbish after owned by Ford

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