Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated with Quadzilla or Diesel Auto Power. I was simply asked to test the new updates because I have big injectors, I'm familiar with the Quad, and I know the person doing all of the tuning. This person wishes to remain anonymous, so it will stay that way.

On to the good stuff!!!

So what is V2? Basically it's a way to gain more control over the tuning parameters, with an emphasis on CLEAN POWER. I've got big injectors, and I've driven my own truck enough that I can drive it virtually smoke free, but I have to be very careful with the right petal (even when set to stock)

Here are the custom tuning parameters:

Alright, let's start with the power levels: 
0=stock
1=Power Percent (Explained later)
2=Fuel mileage (Same as the old number 1)
3=can-bus only (Same as old number 2)
4=can-bus + wiretap (same as old number 3)
and so on to the maximum level set is reached.

So, as you can see the first 8 parameters (through "TPS CAN Minimum") are the same as they've always been. They will function just like they used to.

The next two have to do with wiretap fueling. The "Boost Pump Scaling" gives the %specified of called for wiretap fueling if the boost is below the "boost pump low limit"
As an example:(Let's say it's set on level 10) In the pictures you can see I have the scaling set to 0% until 15psi. This means I'll get zero wiretap fueling until I hit 15psi of boost. If it was set at 50% I would get 600us of wiretap before 15psi. 
This greatly reduces the amount of smoke output without reducing your peak power.

Next we have Power Percent. This is the "new" level one! Here we have the percentage of stock power called for at all times. This is perfect to use for emissions testing, letting the wife/kids drive etc. This is also another way to reduce smoke if you're wanting to be really clean. 

Next is boost scaling. This is the same as it used to be. Just a smoothing feature.

Next we have PSI% listed 0-17 in increments of 1. This feature allows you to set the amount of stock power based on boost. It allows you to ramp up the power from 0-17psi, effectively reducing smoke and making the truck more driveable.

 

Now for my experience with testing.

 

Level 1: With my truck stock, I can floor it at any time and create quite a cloud of smoke. You'd swear I have a tuner cranked, but it's not. With my truck set to 70%, I can floor it while doing 55mph in 6th and get as big of a puff as a stock 24V. Meanwhile it'll pull about 34psi @ 2000rpm and 40psi by 2500rpm.  It does make the truck a little doggy, but I could adjust the percentage up as I saw fit and still keep smoke to a minimum. This would be perfect if someone were to borrow my truck (never going to happen but you get the point) They could try to hotrod it as much as they want but won't be able to. I do think this would make emissions a breeze to pass, and it could be used as a safety device to keep the truck from being stolen. Essentially you can set it to 1% and the truck would only idle.

 

Now for the PSI%: With the power level turned up around 1500rpm I can stab the throttle (0psi of boost) and get nothing more than a slight haze until the boost picks up and the quad starts fueling hard. Spool is still excellent under these conditions, I just need to work on my top-end fuel command to reduce the smoke up there. This has made the biggest difference in CLEAN power. The quad is essentially rolling into the throttle for you as the boost comes up so you don't cloud the highway when you get on it. 

Now the "Boost pump scaling" and "boost pump low limit": The wiretap fueling is essentially it's "own" programmer. It doesn't follow the rules of the can-bus fueling. This was taking effect in my description above because it doesn't wiretap fuel for me until 15psi of boost. Thus why it's only a haze until 15psi.

 

Now, what I'm not quite happy with yet. Off idle, if I stab the throttle on level 1 I get a puff of smoke. I am told this is because of where the quad takes over and starts controlling things. It's being worked on and should be fixed soon. Other than that I'm very happy! I do have only 20 miles or so of testing, but this does look very promising. I'll be putting 50 miles on in the morning and 50 miles in the afternoon, so I'll have more info then.

Any questions post em up and I'll do my best to answer them. The future of clean power for 24V's looks promising  

Edited February 13, 20178 yr by Me78569
Changed the title for SEO reasons

Took a 75 mile drive this morning. With the "fix" we have in place to make sure the custom tuning is working it's SUPER smooth. Very little smoke too. On lvl 2 I'm getting about 38psi of boost and egts can't get to 1100. It feels like it has enough power to tow too, I just haven't pulled anything lately.

Really wish I had know about this when I was looking at the edge. My comp is great don't get me wrong, but I'd love to be able to be making the clean power like you guys! Really need the injectors for it first though lol

Because Race truck....

 

Went out to see what the tune would od rev wise smooth, turned 3500 without even a pop.  This is with the fueling map to 3500 rpm.  

 

 

 

No power up there though.

 

Did some more testing this weekend.    The Passenger in the trailer thought things went well also.  Smooth smoke free ride.

 

 

 

It was a good weekend.  However in all seriousness the quad on lvl 3, canbus tuning, maxed out at 1150*f while towing in 3rd at 45mph up the pass that connects Colorado Springs to Woodlandpark.

 

No Smoke and Offline power was pretty good considering.   I might bump my tow tune up by a few % down low, but if it can perform like it did for me at 9000' altitude with all of that I think most people will be very happy.

I have finally gotten around to testing the new APK from Spencer over at Quad.   It is working great.  I didn't notice the bug that the app used to have.   It does take about 4 - 5 seconds for the tune to fully apply but it can still be done on the fly.  

It was fun to switch between low power mode on different tunes,  I have one tune with % set at 20 one at 40 and one at 85.  at %20 the truck won't hold any speed, just slows down slowly and finally dies haha.  

 

 

Another cool feature that NO OTHER 2ND GEN TUNER offers.....See it?

"How much timing? well I dunno more than level 3" that is something you dont need to wonder about anymore...
 

Nice, thats cool.  I attached a graph of the smarty s03 and edge tuners graphs.  

 

 

 

 

Just kidding.  Theres no graph.

What's the feature? Timing log? That's pretty cool. 

 

She really starts to defuel at 3K :-) 

 

CanBus fueling must be the Quad fueling on top of OEM?

 

Some interesting timing changes in there based on fuel. 

Edited October 5, 20168 yr by AH64ID

13 minutes ago, AH64ID said:

What's the feature? Timing log? That's pretty cool. 

 

She really starts to defuel at 3K :-) 

 

CanBus fueling must be the Quad fueling on top of OEM?

 

Some interesting timing changes in there based on fuel. 

Timing log.

That's with zero quad fueling though. If I remember that's below OEM fueling too. 

 

I believe it's OEM timing as well. 

 

That was a run on lvl 0 so OEM fueling only.  

 

 

Canbus fueling is based upon OEM fueling then a % above or below that to give us the 65 hp over stock. 

Finally got around to doing some videos and Data logging

 

 

Stock

 

stock.csv is the data log

 

 

Daily tune less aggressive but canbus + wiretap stretch at 1500

 

daily.csv 

 

Semi Race tune canbus plus wiretap stretch at 1800

 

 

You notice a good bit of smoke once wiretap starts applying.  Moving the wiretap min PSI up to 12 psi or so should clean up all of that smoke.  

wiretap.csv is the datalog

wiretap.csv

daily.csv

1 hour ago, Me78569 said:

Finally got around to doing some videos and Data logging

 

 

Stock

 

stock.csv is the data log

 

 

Daily tune less aggressive but canbus + wiretap stretch at 1500

 

daily.csv 

 

Semi Race tune canbus plus wiretap stretch at 1800

 

 

You notice a good bit of smoke once wiretap starts applying.  Moving the wiretap min PSI up to 12 psi or so should clean up all of that smoke.  

wiretap.csv is the datalog

wiretap.csv

daily.csv

I'm assuming psi is boost? 

And a general question, is new qwadzilla same as old from few years back before they went out of stores? Or does it have more abilities to tune?

The box is the same but I have been helping quadzilla by coding a ton of new tuning variables into the unit.  So it is a new base tune flash that allows the user to make these tuning changes.

 

 

The in depth tuning article I wrote has the changes listed under the V2 section.

I have another question according to quadzilla level one was Max mileage and it was all done with timing I assume it Advanced timing now with fooling IAT to 143f it retards timing can someone explain that please. I now Drive about 180 miles a day for work I've been experimenting with different levels and miles per hour, I can tell the difference when I tugle between fooling IAT and using IAT, and using level 1 you can hear higher pitch coming from motor I'm guessing the cause is timing. I have comp 1000 tune which came when I bought the unit. Driving 55 on level 1 I got right at 20 mpg, driving on level 3 I'd Got 19.5.  I am not trying level 1 without fooling IAT For more timing, 55mph is at 1500rpm, 

Edited October 11, 20168 yr by Dieselfuture

Because Quadzilla uses the timing values from the ECM and adds to it. The ECM gets its timings from ECT and IAT temperatures. Colder temperatures means more timing, higher cetane fuels means quicker reacting fuel, so stacking more timing could be too much in the winter. The MPG fooler foops the ECM to thinking summer temps so the Quadzilla adds timing to slightly less advancement. This reduces the excessive cold start timing in winter. Also reduces the heavy rattle knocking noises.

yep,

 

I am noticing about a 1* retard of timing when I flip the switch on when temps are cold in the morning.

 

 

More Videos

 

 

Lvl 3 tuning only so no wiretap,  Same as my race tune 

 

 

 

 

A smoothing function added to the wiretap.  Same race tune but boost scaling raised to 40

 

 

 

Much improved over the race tune I posted yesterday.

Ok... Progress made. 

 

I built two custom tunes now. An empty truck tune and towing tune. The difference between the two is pretty mild really. The towing tune works awesome. I've got 6* of timing and only 1200ms of wire tap on a 7 level tune. So running level 4 EGT's stay in check and pull all grades 6-7% without a problem I can gear down into 4th set the cruise for 55 MPH and the EGT's hover at 1,000 to barely 1,100*F. MPG is vastly improved. Pulling a 6% grade I had some try and challenge me on a merge... (Giggle) I squeezed the throttle a bit more to pull away. The rear of the truck arched up and the tires broke loose at 55 MPH (4th gear) on dry pavement heading up grade with the RV hitched up... 

 

As for my empty truck tune I kicked the timing up to 10* and 2000ms of wire tap. Extremely strong and just a very light haze of smoke for the most part. I want to play with this now since I'm home and unhitch from the RV. 

 

I'll grab my fuel log book and post my MPG's from my trips to Boise and Home. Post them later on tonight.

So I have been mulling over timing tuning for a VERY long time.  

 

any tuner that doesn't write to the ECM uses a map to decide when and where to add timing.   Issue is that one map may or may not work for multiple trucks.   A twin turbo towing setup wont need the same timing map as a large single truck and so forth.  

 

I am fairly sure that most of the tuners also just ramp up timing on a semi linear curve as load and rev increase.  This works...kinda.  There are situtations where this doesn't work.  

 

If you drive around on lvl 0 datalogging ECM timing you will see that it is pretty dynamic.  It pulls timing if you romp n it at low boost and it walks up timing to ~23-24* at high boost and revs.   

 

when you apply a tuner on top of it what you get is the loss of some of that dynamic-ness.   You end up not pulling timing down low due to the way that they alter timing.  

 

 

So from a post before here is the timing map of a short run, OEM timing only

 

See the dip in timing at 29?  That is what timing is suppose to do in high throttle low PSI situtations. 

 

Here is the pre timing changes from the Quad as of a week ago. 

 

Little hard to see, but you can see timing spikes when I step on the throttle. This is not that great for trying to spool a turbo. 

 

 

 

Now we look at the most recent changes.

See the timing in Red fall as I spike throttle?  This is an extreme example, but you get the idea.   the best part is there are 2 new custom tuning varibles that allow you to choose how much timing you want to pull in this case, and also a scaling function to allow you to pull more timing on lighter throttle.    

 

this should allow for a ton of fine tuning to happen in terms of low boost high throttle ( over %30) situtations.  Once 8 PSI is reached this timing alteration goes away and you are back to walking up timing as normal.   

 

I have got the V2 on my quad and am excited to get to learn more about it with everyone.

Here is showing the extereme effects of the new timing stuff.  This log was from a 3rd gear pull locked TC from 30 mph up a 8% grade.   you can see when I put my foot into it the timing dropped from ~17* to ~11* then held at 11* until boost started to climb, towards the end of the log you can see boost come up, at 99 on the chart, and timing comes up with it to ~23*.  

 

 

I hate to brag more, but smoke output is even less now.  That run had 0 smoke even with wiretap turned all the way up. My truck will not smoke now, no matter what you do.  

4 minutes ago, Me78569 said:

I hate to brag more, but smoke output is even less now.  That run had 0 smoke even with wiretap turned all the way up. My truck will not smoke now, no matter what you do.  

 

Well, there goes your cool points!

 

J/k!

 

That's really impressive Nick, glad all the hard work and tinkering has payed off for you!