Just seen a webpage that one part of our "royal family" has taken a private flight to Nice on a Cessna, fair enough, whats really puzzling me is some eco boffin Ejit has decided the carbon footprint is over 4 tons..... or around 8500lb ish, for a flight to south france, which is maybe at most a 1000miles away.... dunno its france, now back when I did school and to be fair it was a long time ago the law of physics states you can not get more out than you put in, my rv trailer is 9000lb and that will never fly no way no how so I would say..... correct me if there are any plane people here but a Cessna cannot be 4 ton or 8500lb SO how does it emit 4 tons of carbon on a max of a 1000miles, what is this measured in  COAL, Diamonds,Carbon Dioxide, trees.... what ???

It certainly didn't have 4 tons of fuel onboard so how is that converted to 4 tons of carbon and the plane didn't burn or the people in it so where's the 4 tons from

I really get the feeling we are being rolled big time

That's a good summation of what nonsense the eco baffoon has presented. To me it is amazing what these people think we will believe just because they said it. They bandy around all sorts of political rhetoric and drives me nuts they can't see fact from fiction. If they could speak a level unbiased presentation, sincere manner would be great.

Edited August 23, 20195 yr by JAG1

3 hours ago, wil440 said:

I really get the feeling we are being rolled big time

      

It's all bullshit for most part, nothing more than get more money out of regular people. There's so much to learn if you get time it's crazy, just use a good decrement before making final decision.

I did watch a few programs on TV a month or 2 ago down the lines of disproving certain things like who shot JFK, did we as a species actually go to the moon etc etc and one was "is there such a thing as global warming"

Well of course the final answer was yes as that is measurable BUT  the planets temperature goes up and down over time anyway and there are way more things to consider before planting the blame at the ordinary guy driving to work and back, the program named one person ( can't remember who) who they said was at the head of a large group of rich people getting richer by the minute on us as we are forced to buy into this eco crap.

Earlier this summer there were quite a few demonstrations in a few cities here, attended by eco vegetarians with pink hair and bones through the noses..... the English actress Emma Thompson  decided to attend for the day from Hollywood 1st class flight to London and then back THEN while she was here for the day did a tv interview demanding us suckers reduce our CF to zero straight away and our gov needs to take action now..... and not one reporter asked her how she actually got to London or if she was going to swim back 

Crazy world we live in, nothing is what it seems. 

How about the forest fires that emit more CO2 than my pickup will in entire life in a mere hour.

 

This is NOT photoshopped. This is noon on the Salmon River, during the Teepee Spring Fire. This orange haze is the smoke and CO2 produced by this fire burning in the Nez Perce National Forest. A light aircraft is nothing, our trucks are nothing, This fire alone produced more pollution in one hour than all of California could in one day. I'm the camera man and Station captain on the scene of our group. The gent in the photo is one of our crew I sent down to start the pump keep water flowing during the event.

Edited August 23, 20195 yr by Mopar1973Man

35 minutes ago, Mopar1973Man said:

How about the forest fires that emit more CO2 than my pickup will in entire life in a mere hour.

 

This is NOT photoshopped. This is noon on the Salmon River, during the Teepee Spring Fire. This orange haze is the smoke and CO2 produced by this fire burning in the Nez Perce National Forest. A light aircraft is nothing, our trucks are nothing, This fire alone produced more pollution in one hour than all of California could in one day. I'm the camera man and Station captain on the scene of our group. The gent in the photo is one of our crew I sent down to start the pump keep water flowing during the event.

Event ??? Do you mean that's started on purpose or am I missing something 

Yes Mike and they say it's all because you won't drive a Prius.

 

         Okay, say we all drive an electric car.... now watch the electric plants being overwhelmed with power demands and your electric rates go thru the roof and everyone is parked along long distant routes and highways to find a place to recharge. What a nightmare of nothing but charge stations and hotels to go along with having a place to stay while you recharge. And members to this site and MoparMan is the only guy that drives on by with a 50 year old Dodge Cummins still going like the eveready battery commercial, 'still going'!

 

BTW, ''there goes that one with the chicken hood ornament'' '' I saw that truck 15 years ago''!

Edited August 23, 20195 yr by JAG1

25 minutes ago, wil440 said:

Event ??? Do you mean that's started on purpose or am I missing something 

 

It was a lightning strike that started a tree on fire. The crew at the time didn't handle the start of this properly. Then USFS continue to play "Back Fire Bob" games and continue to lose more and more ground. These kind of fires can be stopped fast and easy but USFS doesn't make any money unless the fire burns. This means the fire has to be big and nasty and deplete the fund for the area then USFS and ask for more crews, equipment, etc. If they stomped out the fires quick the Gov't won't give any aid or funds. 

So for all those carbon taxes. Really? When USFS is a "Fire Manager" they do not put fires out they manage them till the end of season snows put them out. As for myself I'm a Fire Fighter I put the fire out right now. No questions asked.

 

Like the current fire just east of me is a bit over 2,000 acres and still burning. USFS is having fun milking the system. 

12 minutes ago, JAG1 said:

Okay, say we all drive an electric car.... now watch the electric plants being overwhelmed with power demands and your electric rates go thru the roof and everyone is parked along long distant routes and highways to find a place to recharge.

 

Yup. Idaho power already informed me that they are nearly 100% tapped out for power production during the summer and hard winters. Last thing we need is thousands of people plugging in there cars and creating brown outs. Not to mention wait till people weigh in on price per kilowatt and cost per mile vs diesel cost per mile. I'm sure you not going to get the same numbers but if the cargo and weight was equal I'm sure the diesel will win hands down. 

 

Currently $2.799 a gallon for diesel, about 15 cents per mile for the year so far. Including towing trailers, hauling heavy cargo, stop and go traffic, and 80 MPH runs on interstate. Traveling roughly 1,000 miles a week for MoparMom's dialysis treatments and for work. 

 

 

Then what I spend per month in just fuel.

 

Edited August 23, 20195 yr by Mopar1973Man

29 minutes ago, wil440 said:

Event ??? Do you mean that's started on purpose or am I missing something 

They say we are causing the fire seasons to be worse because we are causing drier conditions and drought with the warming. I believe we do have global warming, but that our Maker is aware of it and still is in control. Its not something running rampant without His knowing about it.

 

The only way the wackos can get what they want is to pay every ones bills and mortgages and make every one stay home. 

 

 

Edited August 23, 20195 yr by JAG1

1 hour ago, Mopar1973Man said:

Yup. Idaho power already informed me that they are nearly 100% tapped out for power production during the summer and hard winters. Last thing we need is thousands of people plugging in there cars and creating brown outs. Not to mention wait till people weigh in on price per kilowatt and cost per mile vs diesel cost per mile. I'm sure you not going to get the same numbers but if the cargo and weight was equal I'm sure the diesel will win hands down. 

 

 

 

If only we had an efficent way to produce huge amounts of clean energy with minimal waste product..... oh wait

 

 

I find it funny that the same people who are for the green movement are against the nuclear movement.    Hopefully we figure out fusion soon, we need some way to produce a huge increase in power need without fossil fuels.  

We need cars that run on plastic.

10 hours ago, Me78569 said:

I find it funny that the same people who are for the green movement are against the nuclear movement. 

  They are disingenuous about the movement and use it as a vehicle to promote their political agenda.  They want control over your daily life by imposing stricter and stricter regulations most of which have marginal environmental benefit but have a regressive effect on the economy which in turn costs individual house holds hundreds if not thousands of dollars and Pounds every year.   These are environmentalists that are known as watermelons.  They are green on the outside and red on the inside.   This is where the communist party went with the fall of the USSR and now have infiltrate parts of world governments as well as the UN under the guise of climate change.  Why else would the United Nations Climate Chief Christiana Figueres inform us "that Communist China has the right type of governmental system to fight Global 

Warming". 

 

They espouse that the world as we know it is coming to an end and tell us to drive less or drive and electric car, turn the thermostat down to 68° in the winter and up to 78° in the summer.  Here in California they run ads telling us not to use electricity between the hours of 4pm and 9pm and with these new smart meters they charge a premium price if you do so for the cheaper rate you do you run your high demand appliances on off peak hours,  this is control through the peruse.  In California they also just signed into law that every new home built in the State is required to have solar panels installed, this is control by legislation.  These are but two examples of the controls imposed on the citizens of this state with so many more that could fill a book.  I'm sure you've seen your choices and freedoms slowly eroded over time in the name of environmentalism.  

 

These people and groups say do as I say and do not doubt for those that doubt and question are heretics an blasphemers and must be denounced and persecuted.   Any one in the public eye or academe that dares speak out has aspersions cast upon them with their careers stifled or ruined.  The major news organizations are complicit and work in unison to accomplish this nefarious deed.

 

In 2008 President-elect Barack Obama said "the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."   In 2015 on Earth Day President Obama said that "rising sea levels are putting a national treasure...at risk".  He also said "So climate change can no longer be denied- or ignored" and "This is an issue that's bigger and longer-lasting than my presidency."  Later that year Obama issued an executive order for the armed forces and various federal offices to consider rising sea levels in planning new federal work projects.   Now for the classic do as I say and not as I do, ex- president Obama with his wife Michelle have purchased a $14.58 million 29 acre estate Edgartown, MA on the island of Martha's Vineyard.  I guess the all and powerful Obama stopped the rise of the oceans and our planet is healing or is it 'Do as I say and not as I do'?    Oh by the way the Obamas are doing ok for a couple that just 3 years ago was only making $400,000 a year.    

 

   

IBMobile if you can write this well you should do it more often.  Thanks professor Daniel That was great and I mean that too.

Edited August 24, 20195 yr by JAG1

20 minutes ago, JAG1 said:

IBMobile if you can write this well you should do it more often.  Thanks professor Daniel That was great and I mean that too.

Yes I'll second that 

1984 is almost established,  been in the works for a very long time. A lot of good people will be hurt in many ways in coming years. These so called leaders all work for satan, and it's not metaphorical ether. Ahhh... don't get me started.

Yep these money hungry Gov't people all they care about is their own future and security. Sit back and think of ways to create more restrictions to charge a permit fee to charge the inspection fee to see that you met the restrictions. That doesn't count state fees and federal fees, county fees, road use fees, water run off fees. Then they say oops you don't have a license to do that portion. Even though no schooling or insurance required for it, you must pay the state 300 bucks to get the license even though you already paid the permit and inspection fee and gets inspected. Hell they charged my client 960 bucks just to put a square box over the area on a map to be built and had to count 11 other homes in that box or no go for permits. The box idea okay but a total of 1360 bucks just to do that?! They crooked.

Edited August 24, 20195 yr by JAG1

14 hours ago, IBMobile said:

  They are disingenuous about the movement and use it as a vehicle to promote their political agenda.  They want control over your daily life by imposing stricter and stricter regulations most of which have marginal environmental benefit 

 

 

   

And we can all jump on this green movement bandwagon and live happily ever after, our daily lives and energy supply will come from good feelings and unicorn farts.   

one volcanic eruption undoes a years worth of CO2 amongst other pollutants the eruption emits...

 

its all a money grab, just like giving a thumbs up=one prayer...   doesnt do jack $h!t....

 

its all a make you feel good money scheme

Edited October 23, 20195 yr by CUMMINSDIESELPWR

On 10/23/2019 at 8:32 AM, CUMMINSDIESELPWR said:

one volcanic eruption undoes a years worth of CO2 amongst other pollutants the eruption emits...

 

its all a money grab, just like giving a thumbs up=one prayer...   doesnt do jack $h!t....

 

its all a make you feel good money scheme

Prayer has certainly worked in my life. I learned that God does things on his time, not yours nor mine..... you have learn to be patient and wait for the answer, always, always holding on to faith.

Edited October 25, 20195 yr by JAG1