HE351W on sale

[LorenS]

For those familiar with the turbo BlueOx01 installed recently, that turbo is on sale if you're willing to wait a while to get it. I am strongly considering it and thought I'd share. This is the 12 cm^2 version, not the 9.

 

https://www.benzforce.com/products/pre-order-holset-he351w-4043980-4043982-he351

[Royal Squire]

Was this a bolt on?  Can’t remember. 

[LorenS]

6 hours ago, Royal Squire said:

Was this a bolt on?  Can’t remember. 

No, but didn't sound too tough. Have to clock it and make a new means of attaching the waste gate actuator.

[dripley]

I think all he had to do was bend the bracket on the waste gate a bit to clear something. What I dont remember. He discussed in a thread here. That price does make it more interesting. I know my down pipe does not use the v band clamp but the back of my hx 35 should swap to it. @Blueox01 had swap his too I believe.

 

[AH64ID]

Not a lot if info on the HE351W vs HE351CW. 
 

Aside from a larger exhaust housing, what are the differences?

 

 Any idea what the OEM application is?

[LorenS]

8 hours ago, AH64ID said:

what are the differences?

Not sure of all of them, but one big one is that the CW has that change of direction built in on the compressor side.

BlueOx01 has an exhaust brake on his rig that needs the 5-bolt flange.  I do not, but my 'new' exhaust is set up for the "snout" style of later trucks, not the v-band clamp so wanted to be able to bolt mine on.

[AH64ID]

I'll have to measure the one I have at home, but I am pretty sure the HE351CW uses a 60mm inducer and the HE341 (03-04 Cummins) had a 58mm inducer on the compressor and a 58mm exducer on the turbine wheel.

 

This almost looks like a hybrid of the HE341's compressor wheel (58x65) and the HE351VE's turbine (70x60) wheel. 

 

The 70x60 turbine wheel makes a huge difference when installed on a HE351CW, so I presume this turbo would like it too!. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by AH64ID

[LorenS]

30 minutes ago, AH64ID said:

hybrid of the HE341's compressor wheel (58x65)

I don't really know where those measurements are taken, but in the photos for that listing it looks to me like the compressor wheel is (58x85), but there is a lot of meat chopped out between the two.

One internet search result for Application resulted in a forum where a seemingly knowledgeable fellow said the turbo is for an industrial 6.7L engine.  He did not list a reference for such data, but then again I don't cite references when I state that Force = mass*acceleration or the sun rises in the east.

[dripley]

39 minutes ago, AH64ID said:

I'll have to measure the one I have at home, but I am pretty sure the HE351CW uses a 60mm inducer and the HE341 (03-04 Cummins) had a 58mm inducer on the compressor and a 58mm exducer on the turbine wheel.

 

This almost looks like a hybrid of the HE341's compressor wheel (58x65) and the HE351VE's turbine (70x60) wheel. 

 

The 70x60 turbine wheel makes a huge difference when installed on a HE351CW, so I presume this turbo would like it too!. 

So for the man working on a budget this would be a pretty good to work with l take it? I would like to put a Quad on it one day but not looking for 500hp by any means. The price is hard to pass on unless there is minimal gain.

Edited December 15, 2020 by dripley

[AH64ID]

1 hour ago, LorenS said:

I don't really know where those measurements are taken, but in the photos for that listing it looks to me like the compressor wheel is (58x85), but there is a lot of meat chopped out between the two.

One internet search result for Application resulted in a forum where a seemingly knowledgeable fellow said the turbo is for an industrial 6.7L engine.  He did not list a reference for such data, but then again I don't cite references when I state that Force = mass*acceleration or the sun rises in the east.

 

Sorry, typo.. yes 58x85 vs 60x85 for the HE351CW/VE comp wheels. 

 

Did a little digging too. Looks like it's from the ISDe6 engine. The one I found is a 285hp 6.7L.  Still looking for what that engine goes in thou. 

 

1 hour ago, dripley said:

So for the man working on a budget this would be a pretty good to work with l take it? I would like to put a Quad on it one day but not looking for 500hp by any means. The price is hard to pass on unless there is minimal gain.

 

It's probably not a huge gain over a HX35, but it will be an improvement. @blueox01 should certainly be able to quantify the change. 

Edited December 16, 2020 by AH64ID

[dripley]

3 minutes ago, AH64ID said:

It's probably not a huge gain over a HX35, but not certain.

My hx has 520k on it. Still no shaft play at all last time checked. It also has the Banks quick turbo exhaust housing which I have never been able to see any specs on it. Banks pretty much ignored my questions years after buying it.  I bought a whole kit from Banks which included it when I hit 100k. Nothing like marketing hype to a man who knew way to little when he bought it.

 

Trying weigh out rebuilding what I have or buying new. My thinking is if its even a bit better than what I have the price would be worth the cost difference of rebuilding mine. Never rebuilt one before but from what read it should not be that difficult to do.

 

A $1200+ turbo is not in my near future. @Me78569has recommended some good ones but the price is my sticking point for now. 

 

 

[Tractorman]

2 hours ago, LorenS said:

but then again I don't cite references when I state that Force = mass*acceleration or the sun rises in the east.

 

Then how do we know if it's true?  We need references!

 

- John

[LorenS]

1 hour ago, dripley said:

$1200+ turbo is not in my near future

Mine, neither, but a $450 turbo is in mine! Pulled the trigger this afternoon. Shipping to KC from Austin around $20.

Edited December 16, 2020 by LorenS

[LorenS]

Here is the link to what Blueox01 discovered for making this turbo work.

https://mopar1973man.com/topic/17583-when-bolt-onisnt-quite-bolt-on/?tab=comments#comment-228910

[That Guy]

My $0.02, I had the VE, it is definitely a nice upgrade considering I traded ~$200 of ammunition for it. I had it mechanically controlled via a choke cable which was adequate, but not optimal. I didn't want to fool with trying to make the electronics work. 

 

A 341 or 351W/CW seems worth it for budget power bump. I'll be putting my VE back on once I get it rebuilt, running the old HX35 currently. Definitely doesn't clean up the smoke as much or spool the same. Miss the exhaust brake as well.

 

6 hours ago, dripley said:

My hx has 520k on it. Still no shaft play at all last time checked. It also has the Banks quick turbo exhaust housing which I have never been able to see any specs on it. Banks pretty much ignored my questions years after buying it.  I bought a whole kit from Banks which included it when I hit 100k. Nothing like marketing hype to a man who knew way to little when he bought it.

I have an ancient Banks git kit on mine that was there when I got the truck so I can't say anything about power difference. It did come with the turbine housing/wastegate. It seemed to open at ~22psi when it was connected and the fuel plate is slightly more aggressive than stock. Also came with Banks Dynafact branded gauges of which, the boost still works, but the pod fell one day and broke the pyro internally. The pyro worked constantly (truck on or off) and was working till it fell. 

 

Pyro was my favorite part, no fancy amplifier box or stepper motors or electronics, basically just a simple volt meter to read resistance across the thermocouple using cutting edge technology circa 1820.

[dripley]

4 hours ago, That Guy said:

 

 

I have an ancient Banks git kit on mine that was there when I got the truck so I can't say anything about power difference. It did come with the turbine housing/wastegate. It seemed to open at ~22psi when it was connected and the fuel plate is slightly more aggressive than stock. Also came with Banks Dynafact branded gauges of which, the boost still works, but the pod fell one day and broke the pyro internally. The pyro worked constantly (truck on or off) and was working till it fell. 

 

Pyro was my favorite part, no fancy amplifier box or stepper motors or electronics, basically just a simple volt meter to read resistance across the thermocouple using cutting edge technology circa 1820.

Mine was from a Stinger plus system back 05. Gauges, 4" exhaust w/flow thru muffler, exhaust housing plus waste gate set at 33 psi, Ottomind tuner at +75 hp. The tuner crapped out around 2012 and I lost function of the gauges since they went thru the tuner. I enjoyed it while it worked but knowing what I know today l could done it more affordably back then. 

[AH64ID]

I just measured my HE351CW stuff and my memory was correct. HE351CW comp 60x85, turbine 65x58. 
 

So the HE351W has a slightly smaller comp wheel, lager turbine wheel, and bigger exhaust housing. 
 

IMO, it should spool awesome cool a towing 350-375 rwhp easily and run great drive pressure. All in all great for the price. 

[dripley]

7 hours ago, AH64ID said:

 

 

IMO, it should spool awesome cool a towing 350-375 rwhp easily and run great drive pressure. All in all great for the price. 

What do you think about a non towing rig? Thats pretty much what mine does these. Just a pavement princess.

[AH64ID]

36 minutes ago, dripley said:

What do you think about a non towing rig? Thats pretty much what mine does these. Just a pavement princess.

 

Same thing, great spool and good drive pressure. It can support more hp non-towing since the max load isn't usually sustained for as long. 

[Evan]

I accidentally orderd a 3rd gen short actuator 4.4" outlet turbo.  I got it on but its far from bolt on.

 

This turbo seems to be riding this territory