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I try to be proactive towards the maintenance of my truck rather than reactive.....

 

Knowing that the OEM Bosch alternator had almost 120k miles on it, I felt that not only was it probably going to give me DC troubles in the near future but I was also sure that I was most likely experiencing some AC issues as well, especially during the cold morning and hot summer weather.  

Why I say that....?  I've tested my AC voltage before during the summer and it was within "spec", but still I thought the readings were higher than I'd like.  So I recently tested again before installing the Nations unit just to confirm and what I got was about .044 during idle.  Yes thats acceptable but also understanding that its 35* outside and the engines warm enough that the grids are not cycling, I felt that there was nowhere for the AC readings to go but up.  Meaning, as the weather gets warmer and/or the alternator is powering more accessories, the AC voltage reading will only increase.

 

Alternators will produce the least amount of AC at idle with little to no electronics running.  But ramp the throttle up to around 2000 - 2500 RPM, turning on every electrical component and the readings will always increase as the diodes work at converting.  I saw that the last time I tested it in the summer so I felt I'm justified in replacing before problems arise.  Plus I noticed a considerable amount of red brush dust on the tensioner pulley (seen in the picture) which reassured me that it was getting old.

 

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So I've decided to replace it.  Exploring my options, they are as usual.....  To either rebuild my current one, get an over the counter "lifetime warranty" parts store unit and hope for the best, or look for one of the few high dollar units available out there in the aftermarket world.  Well given money is always a variable, I chose to go with the Nations unit I've heard good things about.  Not only are they priced what I consider to be reasonable for what you get but they're also American made.  Plus if I have trouble, I'd rather deal with Nations than deal with either Autozone, NAPA, O'Reilly, etc... and risk delicate electronics on this truck.  Yes, I could have had it rebuilt but I'd still have an alternator that may or may not generate more AC than I'd like because of the windings and diode count, but I'm sure I'd probably have battle with the small shop explaining what I want and why, since most places are more concerned with DC output rather than what the AC voltage readings are.

 

This is the one I opted for.  180 amp, hairpin wound, 12 diodes, and uses the stock pulled size. http://www.nationsstarteralternator.com/180-Amp-HP-High-Output-Alternator-for-2000-Dodge-p/13874-180-hp.htm

 

Just to be clear.....what I was experiencing with the OEM alternator was the norm and had been this way for years.  That said, typically the volt gauge in the cold mornings would do as described:
Turn key ON, gauge drops to the lower portion of the "normal" range.
Start engine when WTS light turns off.
Gauge immediately drops back down to the lower portion of normal as the grid cycles on again.
Gauge starts to climb rapidly as the grid cycles off.
Seconds later the grid cycles on again and the gauge dips down to the lower portion of normal.

 

This back and forth takes places for a few minutes depending on the ambient temperature.  And when it does, the engine clearly lets me know that the grids are cycling by either making the tell-tale noise of loading down from the alternator drag, and/or I can get a slight momentary idle lope only to immediately regain regular idle.
The lights dim considerably as well and the volt gauge generally reaches just a tick over 14 volts when its completed the event or I drive off.

 

Well after the install of the Nations unit this is what takes place:
Turn key ON, gauge drops to the lower portion of the "normal" range.
Start engine when WTS light turns off.
Gauge does NOT drop back down to the lower portion of normal as the grid cycles on again, but rather remains up around 14 volts.
Gauge moves a tad higher than 14 volts as the grid cycles off.
Seconds later the grid cycles on again and the gauge drops no lower than 14 volts.

 

As before, this back and forth takes places for a few minutes depending on the ambient temperature.  But this time the engine does NOT react the same but rather hardly lets me know that the grids are cycling.  There is no tell-tale noise of loading down from the alternator drag and I seemingly had no slight momentary lope during that moment either.
I cant say about the lighting at this point because I havent driven it during the night since the new alternator was installed.  But I'm going to guess that they will not dim nearly as much given that the alternator appears to be cranking out more amperage during idle while creating less load on the engine.  I also tested the AC voltage as soon as I installed the Nations unit, while during the same cold weather, and saw about .020.  I'll be testing it some more as the weather warms too.

 

Lastly, I would say that of the few times I've driven it since the install the engine has slightly better manners during the cold weather.  This only further supports the understanding that these trucks are VERY susceptible to electronic anomalies and the alternators are absolutely something to pay attention to. :thumbup2:

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Any DC powered electrical device is not going to like being blasted by AC power.   Since our entire electrical system is DC 12v everything will get damaged given enough time.

I was just mainly trying to understand how it locks and unlocks torque converter, I guess it might be affecting whatever controls lock and unlock, like a solenoid or something. 

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Like I've said.....Nations website and specifics info leaves something to be desired. :think:  But they build a nice alternator.

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Definitely Mechman builds a quality unit.....  But just in case you didnt already know, with that unit you'll have to run a smaller belt length because they most likely use a smaller pulley to spin up the shaft RPM's, and you'll have to change the lead wire from the alternator because its not going to be large enough for that amount of amperage. :thumbup2:

6 hours ago, KATOOM said:

Definitely Mechman builds a quality unit.....  But just in case you didnt already know, with that unit you'll have to run a smaller belt length because they most likely use a smaller pulley to spin up the shaft RPM's, and you'll have to change the lead wire from the alternator because its not going to be large enough for that amount of amperage. :thumbup2:

yeah the belt thing i knew but the lead wire i didnt. That isnt an issue to do though. thank for the heads up mang!

  • 4 months later...

Might be in the market for a new alternator soon and was wondering if the 01-02 is the same as the 99. I'm 99% sure that it is but don't want to pull the trigger and find out that it doesn't fit. 

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4 hours ago, Cronus577 said:

was wondering if the 01-02 is the same as the 99. 

Their not the same. 

99  OEM #56027221AB (DENSO) 136 amp

99  OEM #562839 (BOSCH) 136 amp

01-02  OEM #56027221AD (ALL 5.9L Cummins diesel)

14 hours ago, IBMobile said:

Their not the same.

99  OEM #56027221AB (DENSO) 136 amp

99  OEM #562839 (BOSCH) 136 amp

01-02  OEM #56027221AD (ALL 5.9L Cummins diesel)

Dang, they're not showing any in stock for mine unless I'm wanting to fork out almost $700 for their high output one.

On 2/24/2017 at 3:08 PM, CUMMINSDIESELPWR said:

if i ever get the money, ill be getting one of these seeing i have a lot of lighting and a 16.5 warn winch, it pulls a lot of power...

 

 

http://www.mechman.com/alternators/dodge/full-size-truck/5-9l-diesel/1988-2002/s-series-6-phase-320-amp-alternator-for-early-cummins/

I havr6run the mechman for a while, great unit

  • 6 months later...

Those of you who have installed the Nations 180 amp alternator, did you replace the factory 140 amp fuse with a higher amperage fuse or modify the wiring in any way? All the alternator talk going on has piqued my curiosity on whether the factory fuse and wiring can handle the moderate increase in amperage (180) vs the major boost like W-T's 270 amp alternator.

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No need to change anything with the 180 amp upgrade

If I can read between the lines, I believe you haven't put your grid heaters on a switch or disconnected them altogether. Now that you've had the Nations alternator on for over a year, are there any comments or complaints about it, especially as it pertains to starts in cold weather?

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Other than slightly less voltage drop when the grids cycle, everything works normal.

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3 hours ago, Bafazane said:

Those of you who have installed the Nations 180 amp alternator, did you replace the factory 140 amp fuse with a higher amperage fuse or modify the wiring in any way? All the alternator talk going on has piqued my curiosity on whether the factory fuse and wiring can handle the moderate increase in amperage (180) vs the major boost like W-T's 270 amp alternator.

Talking with W-T today he said you don't because the grids run directly off the battery.

Edited by JAG1

So, as Mike stated, the alternator amp mostly exists the prevent frying everything in the PDC if some numbskull puts the jumper cables on backwards?

 

Thanks for the input, guys. It seems like the 180 amp alternator is a nice middle ground between the keeping the stock alternator and going whole hog, re-wiring everything for a 230 amp or greater alternator.