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bjytech

Filled up with fuel tonight...

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Finally broke under $4 in Idaho Payette, ID $3.989 for diesel. But up here in New Meadows, ID its still $4.109... :spend:

I'm right there with Mike. In my area, diesel is $4.12/gal. Down south a little in CDA, ID, I'm finally seeing it under $4/gal! Its funny though, for us to say these kinds of things... "wooo! Under $4/gal!" Right, cause thats something to scream about! :banghead: Less than $3/gal and I'll start making a face... Also, I was looking on a fuel map recently, guess where the CHEAPEST fuel prices are?! SOUTH CAROLINA! The prices get worse as you start moving towards the west coast, too. South Carolina was under $3/gal! :ahhh:

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That's just wrong... :mad:

Regular unleaded is under $3 in SC but not diesel. It's still above at $3.369 :tongue:

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i was wondring about -$3 diesel even in SC. Fuel has always been cheaper there in my runs up and down the east coast. I fueled up yesterday for 3.58 and today road by the same station and it was 3.50. I have to agrre with Hex on the sub $3 price so I can start:hyper: doing the happy dance. Not sure I will ever be doing that dance though.

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My last 5 fill-ups..........1....$3.792....$3.693....$3.674....$3.66 in southern Illinois5....$3.69Believe it or not, diesel wasn't any cheaper in KY when I was down there last week. #4 from above was a fill up in Mt. Vernon, IL on the returen trip from KY. All the others are up here in northern IL.

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Passed thru Riggins, ID again today...Diesel $3.929Gas $3.869Then saw the sign at Hoot's Cafe near Whitebird, ID and about fell over...Diesel $4.599 (Holy Cow talk about back stabin') :omg:

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Went through CDA, ID on Saturday. It was the cheapest area to get fuel at $3.92/gal.

Fueled at the Maverik in Boise today for $3.81. I hope it keeps going down. I could never figure out why we were being gouged so much for diesel. In the cracking process diesel comes off way before gasoline does. So it theoretically has less processing to produce and seems like it should cost less than gas. It used to be that way but now it seems to be at or above the price of gas everywhere I go.

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I think that the ULSD takes more processing to lower the sulper content.I just think that and do not know for sure. I am pretty sure the taxes on diesel are higher than gas, at least in NC. Taxes on fuel in NC are one of the highest in the nation and they are considering charging you to drive on I95. Can anyone say TOLL ROAD.

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Fill up todaypost-45-138698189279_thumb.jpg It's actually been a month since I have topped off. I went riding pulling our trailer and that had maybe 5000lbs of crap in it and that was going 60-70 (curvy hilly roads the whole way) for 450 miles. Then I been taking it to work the last 150. 18.48 mpg. post-45-138698189287_thumb.jpg

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I could never figure out why we were being gouged so much for diesel. In the cracking process diesel comes off way before gasoline does. So it theoretically has less processing to produce and seems like it should cost less than gas.

Your not wrong. When the law dropped the sulfur ppm, the crude units needed to make some minor mods to their vessels, but real minor. The need to improve the sulfur plants for a higher through out was done, and production was continued. I worked the light end frac unit (C3 - C8) for 12 years and that was after the crude units. Some of our cut was shipped to the FCC to be cracked and blended to gasoline, and other products. One of our cut was shipped to the alkylation unit and they made nothing but raw gasoline to be blended. So diesel is after the initial process cut. (cheap to make, like jet, fuel oil and such). Now, lately I heard on the news that sometimes as high as 40% of diesel processed in the good ole USA is shipped out to other countries for a higher profit. And this is allowed by our Feds. Might this be one reason ?

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Your not wrong. When the law dropped the sulfur ppm, the crude units needed to make some minor mods to their vessels, but real minor. The need to improve the sulfur plants for a higher through out was done, and production was continued. I worked the light end frac unit (C3 - C8) for 12 years and that was after the crude units. Some of our cut was shipped to the FCC to be cracked and blended to gasoline, and other products. One of our cut was shipped to the alkylation unit and they made nothing but raw gasoline to be blended. So diesel is after the initial process cut. (cheap to make, like jet, fuel oil and such). Now, lately I heard on the news that sometimes as high as 40% of diesel processed in the good ole USA is shipped out to other countries for a higher profit. And this is allowed by our Feds. Might this be one reason ?

I have read about this before that we do indeed export alot of diesel fuel to foreign markets and They do get a better ptice for it overseas.

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Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think diesel has become more expensive now because people know that alot of our logistics is carried by the 18 wheeler.Make diesel more expensive, food goes up, increase in taxes, people have to spend more on food and fuel, more money in their pockets. :cookoo:

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I remember when diesel was cheap, mostly truckers used it for the 18 wheelers. But I remember when it was the beginning of the smaller vehicles started using diesel. Slow at first, but as it increased and they started putting them into pickups, the truck sales went up and not long after, diesel prices went up. They saw a constant supply need and the greed kicked in. (late 80's early 90's ???)

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Diesel fuel has been hauling goods across this country since I remember being alive. As I remeber diesel was still cheaper that gas when I boutght my truck in 01. I still think the LSD(low sulfur diesel to yo hippies out there) and ULSD have a lot to do with it. Demand for it is greater now I believe. None of those things help. Your guess is as good as mine.

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Diesel fuel has been hauling goods across this country since I remember being alive. As I remeber diesel was still cheaper that gas when I boutght my truck in 01. I still think the LSD(low sulfur diesel to you hippies out there) and ULSD have a lot to do with it. Demand for it is greater now I believe. None of those things help. Your guess is as good as mine.

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When they past the law to drop the ppm of sulfur in the fuel, they modified the sulfur unit to accommodate the extra amount they had to remove, process and store to sell. The work was some and cost a bit of cash. There was actually a demand for the extra product. When they went to the latest, the ultra low, they had to do some equipment changes and spend some real cash to update. But there is a market for the product, just slightly more product than they need so per supply and demand, they play their games. In all, it wasn't that costly that they needed to send the prices per gallon to the moon.There are people out there that must have the latest fad thing. And there was a time the diesel pickup was a bit of a fad. Mainly they have their place for what they do, they work, but just some people need and want the biggest and different than the others. Really, who needed the Hummer when it came out to drive to work, or take the baby for a ride to put them to sleep ?And lets not forget the old supply and demand process. If you can make a demand from the product you sell, where people 'need it' supplied constantly, then we make it a bit hard to get and their supply is limited, the price can go up ... until there is an over supply of product and you loose again.So if they keep processing the product, and ship as much as they can overseas for a higher profit per barrel then here ... then show a supply demand here to move the price here to the moon ... supply and demand will take care of us. End result, everyone just pays more using 'their' method of supply and demand.

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the refinery i work in has H.D.S. units...hydrogen disulphurization...just like it says..it takes the sulphur out of it...and the biggest rumor i hear why diesel is so high is because of hurricane Katrina..we have never recouped??what kind of rumor is that..and when the people you hear on the radio that try to scare folks about..oh..we are in a shortage....whatever..bout 90% of the time here...we need more tanks for storage..so sorry long folks..we will just keep praying for cheaper prices.

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