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Somebody please "splain" to me if this really works and how?????

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  • NIsaacs
    NIsaacs

    I think that system requires this:https://www.genosgarage.com/product/fast-cooler-fc-1fc300/transmission-coolers   Some better pictures of how it "might" work:https://www.genosgarage.com/pro

  • Mopar1973Man
    Mopar1973Man

    I've got enough problem now with the next 4 to 5 month trying to keep the transmission warm. Pretty soon I'll be in subzero temperature most of the day. The last thing I want to do is have FASS cooler

  • Bullet
    Bullet

    Make more sense now about how it works.  The cooler part may have some merit to it by adding some fluid capacity and displacing some heat.  The magnet is a good idea as well.  But since it is not pres

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  • Owner

Personally, I don't see the need for it. Being even after better than 1/4 of million miles I never had any debris in the case even after breaking the mainshaft. All you need is a magnet on the cover plate and it will capture all the metal. Being everything is ferrous metals and magnetic. Clean the magnet and reload with oil. 

I think he just wants to know how it would work LOL.

 

maybe just maybe it could get some kind of slight oil flow from the gears and shafts turning...but that filter isn't going to filter out anything without a way to make sure oil can only flow in 1 direction and not flow back out...

 

in other words: it doesn't do anything but throw money away on some useless BS and prey on people who don't know any better...total SCAM

Got a few members here that run them. Maybe they will speak up.

9 minutes ago, LiveOak said:

OK then............now "splain" to me how this is supposed to work???

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TDS-PTO-Cooler-Cover-Dodge-NV5600-Proper-fluid-level-1-8-NPT-USA-Made/192691182335?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

 

How would the transmission lubricant be pumped in and out of the those ports?

Well Lucy I cant splain nothing me no comprende either.

  • Owner

There is a member (Cowboy) that manage to make a spin on filter for his transmission. I just don't see it as an efficient means of filtering oil being there is no true pumping of oil just kind of paddle wheeling oil with the gear teeth. 

 

New Venture didn't think filtering oil was a big problem or need. As for my NV4500 has a magnet on the PTO cover than that has worked for 356k miles and rolling.

Exactly what I'm saying...putting a filter in there is a joke. it's snake oil for those gullible enough to fall for it. 

 

Unless you add a pump of some sort and a check valve, there is no way to "filter" your trans fluid using that "kit"

 

And as Mike has stated: there's no need to filter it either. No combustion happens in there and it's a sealed system so dirt shouldn't be making its way in there anyway. toss a strong permanent magnet in the bottom and call it good.

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32 minutes ago, dripley said:

                                          Well Lucy I cant splain nothing me no comprende either.

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                               No necesito explicar de que se trata; todo el mundo lo sabe.  Es magia.

                                         I do not have to splain what it is; everybody knows.  It's magic.     

It's a wonderful product!  I bought some muffler bearings from the same seller and they work great too! ?

44 minutes ago, Bullet said:

It's a wonderful product!  I bought some muffler bearings from the same seller and they work great too! ?

 

You'd be surprised at some of the crap I've seen light duty diesel pick-up owners do to their trucks "to improve durability". Unless the filter has pressurized oil from a pump going through it I think the filter would be pointless. To me it would be like setting an air filter in the middle of the living room so we could breath clean air but failed to also use a fan to push or pull air through the filter. That air filter ain't gonna do anything to filter air without air being forced through it.

 

Yeah heavy duty manual transmissions like an Eaton RTLO16913A used in class 8 trucks have filters but they also have pumps in them that pump oil through coolers and help with oiling. Those pumps are driven internally off a counter shaft. Even heavy duty inter axle (power divider) differentials have filters and pumps to pressurize the oil through the filter.

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I agree...makes no sense.  I would think that they would explain how it works in the description but I guess not explaining it is better for sales...:shrug:

4 hours ago, LiveOak said:

OK then............now "splain" to me how this is supposed to work???

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TDS-PTO-Cooler-Cover-Dodge-NV5600-Proper-fluid-level-1-8-NPT-USA-Made/192691182335?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

 

How would the transmission lubricant be pumped in and out of the those ports?

You could use an external fluid pump.  Still, whats the point of any of it?  Do the 5/6 speeds get hot enough to need an external pump/cooling system?

  • Owner
7 hours ago, Sycostang67 said:

You could use an external fluid pump.  Still, whats the point of any of it?  Do the 5/6 speeds get hot enough to need an external pump/cooling system?

 

I've got enough problem now with the next 4 to 5 month trying to keep the transmission warm. Pretty soon I'll be in subzero temperature most of the day. The last thing I want to do is have FASS coolers hanging off the transmission and lame filter with super thick gear oil. Even with my 250-mile trip, I'm lucky the last few days I might see 100-120*F maybe. I seriously doubt if I had the FASS coolers and that filter it could even push fluid through the filter.

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    8 hours ago, NIsaacs said:

    I think that system requires this:https://www.genosgarage.com/product/fast-cooler-fc-1fc300/transmission-coolers

     

    Some better pictures of how it "might" work:https://www.genosgarage.com/product/fast-cooler-manual-transmission-filter-kit-fc-filterkit/manual-transmission-filters-gaskets-drain-plugs

    Make more sense now about how it works.  The cooler part may have some merit to it by adding some fluid capacity and displacing some heat.  The magnet is a good idea as well.  But since it is not pressurized debris has to be 'lucky' enough to fall through the slot.  Otherwise debris could circulate in the fluid for a good while before finally finding the slot.

     

    The intent is good but the execution is...'better than nothing' at best. 

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    On 10/26/2018 at 8:57 PM, 04Mach1 said:

    You'd be surprised at some of the crap I've seen light duty diesel pick-up owners do to their trucks "to improve durability"

     

    I was going to say.. People waste money on stuff all the time because its better and great and performs miracles when all it is is a gimmick. We have a guy whos pretty regular here in the store whos got a camper in his bed at all times. Hes got these "wind diffusers" (which amount to about 1" by 3" plastic triangles and hes got probably a dozen per side) to help his giant box of a camper not produce as much drag and increase his mpgs. Looks terrible. Oh and a reusable oil filter is on there as well. I'll have to look and see next time he's here.

     

    On 10/26/2018 at 9:18 PM, Sycostang67 said:

    You could use an external fluid pump

     

    This would actually make the filter work if you had maybe like a remote oil filter mount and electric sump pump to push fluid into the filter. But why? I've seen a manual transmission that never get serviced make it over 200k just by adding fluid the one time we checked it and it wasnt leaking and barely low (brother in laws truck that belonged to his brother originally and never got maintained until my brother in law bought it)

    Edited by 2000Ram2500

    External pumps.   I know NASCAR used an external pump and cooler for the rear differentials.  (I am guessing most of the offroad racing and endurance type racing are using it) I know before the race, they ran heaters to bring the differential oil to running temperature (and engine and transmission oil too)  The cold fluid's thicker viscosity sucked too much horsepower to heat up to be competitive.   In the Datsun we raced in SCCA, for enduros, we had to watch transmission and rear differential temperatures, but the class we ran in didn't allow us to run extra coolers for those items.

     

    So it comes down to "how hard do you push it?"  Just monitor your temps, and if in your "normal" situations you are getting close or going to hot, the first thing to try to add is more oil capacity.  this will extend the time before you get too hot.   If that doesn't give you enough cushion, add dedicated cooling to the system you have. 

    • Owner

    Now remember for folks in the frozen north. The last thing you want to do is add extra cooling capacity and coolers to a transmission that will be operated in the subzero range. Like myself I'm going to have winter temperatures of -20*F ot -30*F on average for the coldest temperatures. Just like @Haggar said the colder fluid is more vicious and adds lod to the engine so consider all weather conditions before just jumping into the cooler idea. I got almost 3 months I won't see the trans temp gauge even move off 100*F. Even my normal 100-110*F summer I rare even see 170*F trans temp so coolers are not a requirement at all at least for me. Now considering that I ditched the big tires and increased my gear ratio to 3.69 with the 245's has drop the trans temp even more than a cooler... Something to think about...

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