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  1. Apps relocation mod is simple. Just need some fab skills. Your not changing anything, just moving the apps from the noisey, dirty, vibraty engine to inside. Once the bell crank & cable is removed you’ll need to remove the pedal assembly from the floor. Not the aluminum mount just the pedal. You need a pedal assembly as suggested. You’ll have to make a custom bracket to mount the pedal to that’ll mount to the old aluminum pedal mount. Throw away the no name apps that comes with the new pedal and install yours or a Williams Control (WC) one so you know it’ll function correctly. Make a jumper harness from engine harness connector to the pedal, just have to pin the connectors the same way front to back so it matches the engine side connector. I’d suggest using the same hole in firewall the old cable went through with a grommet. THEN pin and connect the harness wires to the connector base vs drilling a big hole 7/8” in the firewall. Secure the harness to various points to make it clean and trouble free. I can’t tell you how to make the bracket I can only show you what I did in pics for ideas. I don’t want to give incorrect info and then you getting mad at me. It’s not difficult but it took me a couple times before I got it spot on. The bottom bolts through the pivot pin in the old pedal (vide grips will remove it - just turn it out). The top side mounts to an existing in the upper part of the aluminum bracket so it stays rigid. This mod isn’t too expensive (under $400 for me at the time). It’s time consuming but worth it! Parts: 699-5101 pedal (Rockauto) 1x 6 pin male/female Duetsch connector(s) 6-8 feet of 6 wire harness 131973 apps (Williams Control) Here’s the vacuum pump mod: Since I still need vacuum I added the Super Duty setup. My truck only needs vacuum for hvac and the exhaust brake. I have a non cad Dana 60 so all those lines are not there at the diff & transfer case. My cruise is ecm controlled. Parts: CON166 - pump connector (Rockauto) VCP112 - vacuum pump (Rockauto) Vacuum hose Mini fuse tap connector 4 pin relay & base connector I mounted the pump to the fuse box cover. I attached a 4 pin relay to the pump bracket. Pin 30 is right from pdc positive cable, pin 87 goes to the spliced in pump connector. The pump ground and pin 86 are spliced together and ground to fender stud. Pin 85 is triggered from 10a fuse tap for radio in dash fuse panel, then run a wire out to the relay. Pump only comes on with key is in ignition/start stage. It’s turns off when vacuum is achieved by an internal governor. The pump only uses 2 pins but the connector comes with 4. I depinned the connector to get rid of the 2 wires not needed. You can run the vacuum line out to your firewall vacuum line and connect it but mine runs 8” or so to a bracket that the exhaust brake solenoid is mounted to. I have a tee in the inlet that I use to run to the firewall oem vacuum line. If & when the pump dies it’s 5 minutes to replace it. You won’t hear the pump until key on and you don’t hear it at all with the engine running. No more vacuum pump oil leaks was the selling point for me So here’s how I did the power steering mod & vacuum pump: Parts for PS: 4002056 plug - Cummins RES0161 reservoir - Rockauto 4988390 pump kit - Cummins performance.com M20x1.5 to 6 jic fitting I mounted the reservoir to the driver battery hold down rod using some p clamps. It’s rigid and clean and removable if need be. The ports on the reservoir are 3/4” and 3/8”. I ran both the steering box & hydroboost returns to the reservoir and lucky for me they’re 3/8” as well. I removed the fitting out of the block and put a proper plug in it, be aware it’s not npt or orb but a metric size. Or I guess you could just put a #4 jic cap on the original fitting. Once the oem vacuum pump assembly is removed. You’ll need to install the studs with some red loc-tite, don’t bottom the studs out in the timing case or you won’t have enough for the nut to grab onto. This is key. The low pressure supply fitting is 7/8”. You’ll need to remove it and have a machine shop turn it down to 3/4” for proper fitment. Also the fitting won’t come off with the pump mounted :/ ask me how I know. The pressure side needs a straight fitting (see above in parts list). It’s crucial to find the pressure fitting in steel as it’s rated for better pressure than an aluminum one say from Amazon (aluminum equivalent is rated for 1500 psi). Once that’s dealt with run a hose from reservoir around the intake pipe the pump supply port and secure it you deem fit. For the pressure hose simply remove the old hose from the hydroboost and cut the old pump side fitting end off and crimp on a 90* 6 jic fitting (3/8”). It’ll reach perfectly once it’s reinstalled. Refill system with ATF and bleed system by locking wheels left & right in the air. ***The pump is from China. The part number doesn’t cross over to anything genuine Cummins. But it’s rated for 1450 psi/3.4 gpm and puts the oem Saginaw pump to shame*** I had a problem with not able to turn wheels at a stop in my truck, soon as I started to go the assist would kick in and I could turn. Now I can power lock left & right at idle/stop with no effort.
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  2. I decided to open source my stand alone VP44 electronics project. I started a github repository. It's far from a bolt on replacement. It's just a prototype but it has been running reliably for a couple of years now. Unfortunately, it's not a project for beginners and requires good soldering experience and there is one surface mount part on the board. The circuits have some high energy parts and requires some testing before operating. The software is not simple and has time critical routines. An in depth understanding of the MCU internal peripherals (timers, PWM) is also required. Any mistakes in assembly or coding can cause permanent damage to the fuel solenoid or speed sensor. My project explores the electrical operation of the mysterious VP44. I included some diagrams and tutorial. The mechanical operation is described on various websites so I skipped it. It may help to review some of those sites. https://github.com/Greatwrk/VP44-EXPLORER
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  3. I set up my OEM throttle assembly complete with the throttle cable operational for a bench test. It turns out that although the OEM APPS shaft rotates 45°, the actual foot throttle rotation is about 20° due to the different lever length combinations along the way. So, that would be much more in alignment with the replacement bellcrank, which has a 20° sweep. I was overthinking it, as usual. I will now proceed with using the replacement bell crank assembly. - John
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  4. Also, tour comparing an f450 to a 3500 dodge. Naturally the heavier duty the truck the running gear will follow. Honestly they all have short comings somewhere. Personally I love my 2nd gen 3500 and wouldn't trade it even up for a brand new one.
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  5. I'm working on my VP44 and ECM projects and need to know how much fuel is actually injected by the injection pump. This is so I can calculate a fuel rate in milli Liters for determining engine load and also for the overhead trip, mileage display computer. So i dug out my old VP44 core and did some measurements. I thought I would share what I found and get some confirmation or feedback. This is a SO pump with three injection plungers they are 7.3 mm diameter. The cam donut has a thickness of 10.5 mm at the maximum inward point and a thickness of 7.1 mm at the maximum outward point. So 10.5 - 7.1 = 3.4 mm of stroke. I don't have an ultra precise way to measure the stroke. I probably need to have the pump all put together for that with a special instrument and rotor head fixture, but it's probably pretty close. So 7.3 divide by 2 = 3.65 mm radius times 3.14 (pi) times 3.4 stroke = volume 39 milli liter per plunger, times 3 = 117 ml. That's the theoretical maximum injection volume without injector or line losses. So 3 injections per crankshaft revolution is 351 ml. times 1000 RPM is 351000 ml. There are 1,000,000 ml in a liter so 0.351 liters per minute at 1000 RPM. At 2849 RPM that's 1 liter / minute. The vane pump has to fill the plungers and it continues pumping to the tank while the plungers are injecting so that means it needs to pump at least twice the amount as injected. That needs 0.702 liters / minute @ 1000 RPM and 2.8 liters @ 4000 RPM. 1 liter is 0.264 gallon so 0.74 gallons per minute @ 4000 RPM. that's 44.5 gallons per hour. The lift pump would need to be 2 to 3 times that to maintain a good working pressure at the VP. Does the math seem right?
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  6. The abs tone ring will have to be swapped over. I think there’s some vids on YouTube explaining it. I don’t have one but if I ever did I’m going with that.
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  7. My buddy traded me a first gen 6bt to do some body work for him on his truck. So several patch panels later I got a "free" engine.
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  8. Eaton truetrac is a good option. No clutches to wear out or additives to add. Same setup in 3rd gen + AAM rear diffs.
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  9. I’ve owned my truck since new. I don’t care about mileage, what I desire is a modern drivetrain that is the same or better then what’s offered today. I find my fun in modifying things. I also live in mountains where I burn nothing going down and lots going up. I want my truck to compete with today’s 500 hp HO F450 that can gooseneck up to 40k lbs and not sweat without ever buying one. Well that’s asking a lot I suppose lol. 2nd gens are gone forever now I just want to live in the past again :’)
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  10. Well. The Dana 60 came standard in everything else (like Ford) with the mentioned items. Its neutered for Dodge for whatever reason. High pinion reduces the front driveshaft angle for one and its “stronger” for placing the pinion gear above the crown gear vs the low pinion/reverse cut we have. Most Dana 60’s came spec’s with 35 spline shafts stock vs our 30 (32 on the later ones). AAM’s are 33. Bigger spline = great diameter shaft. 3.73 is run by Ram now (& Ford). Seems to be the sweet spot vs 3.54 and the big jump to 4.10. Cad was another thing that is a Chrysler creation too. Go on Dana Spicers website and spec a diff they don’t offer any of the Dodge things which makes me wonder by Dana did it in the first place.
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  11. My truck came originally spec’s with the non cad 60. Few years ago it blew up and I found a non cad 60 in a junk yard and swapped it in. I installed EMF balljoints and the Yukon free spin kit. I like the idea of nothing turning inside as over time the seals wear into the shafts & pinion yoke as with the oem system. They also don’t utilize unitized seals like AAM. I will eventually swap it out with a Dynatrac 60 as they make them still for 2nd gens and you can get 35 spline shafts, high pinion housing and 3.73 ratio.
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  12. My name is Mace. I'm a looong time lurker on here. Before here I was active on contributions for Dave Fritz’s site before it disappeared. I’ve been following 2nd gens since they debuted. I bought mine new in 01’ and still rock it! I recently deleted my fb association with 2nd Gen Cummins as it’s not technical enough for me. I thrive on modifications that make our trucks more competitive & mechanically modern. The W-T mods I discovered here and installed sealed the deal to jump ship. I’ve completed some neat modifications on my truck I’m happy to share. Here’s a couple: • Engine side APPS delete (complete electronic pedal - no cable/bellcrank) • Vacuum/ps pump delete to midrange pump only/remote reservoir setup • Electric vacuum pump (Super Duty) replacement for above mod. • Quad headlights with upgraded relay harnesses with DRL-1 module so I can maintain my drl requirement (I’m Canadian) Anyways, hope to sponge as much info as I can. If I can help give me a shout. Cheers!
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  13. Well, Elvis (TODD) has left the building...off to paint!
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  14. Large trucks (like Class 8 trucks and even medium duty trucks) use a special throw-out bearing that has a grease hose attached with a zerk fitting on the end, which makes the bearing accessible for maintenance. However, the hose only puts grease in the actual bearing. It does not put grease in the contact area of the bearing to the pressure plate fingers, which is where I think your noise is coming from. The throw-out bearing in your truck is usually a non-serviceable sealed bearing and will normally last the life of the clutch. You may have a custom throw-bearing that can be greased remotely. I checked a Valair site, but I didn't see anything like that, but that doesn't mean that it can't be done. If that zerk fitting does grease the throw-out bearing, I would only give one or two pumps of the grease gun - you definitely do not want to over-grease that bearing and risk getting grease on the clutch facing. - John
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  15. Auto Computer Specialist will rebuild wiring for you.
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  16. I'd never do a P-pump swap. Horrid idea being 100% of all my member that did this swap ended up buying a newer truck or just parking it. Unreliable, too smokey and a cop magnet, or the fuel milage drops off, worst case was one member sold because he had troubles keeping it running at all. Got rid of the truck. So your willing to ditch dynamic timing for fixed timing? Then willing to lose cruise control? Talk to Auto Computer Specialist and a rebuild is better price than a p-pump swap.
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  17. I will be doing some more research! That’s very interesting information, I’ll look into extracting the data off the EEPROM. Once you get your GITHUB setup I’d love to take a look!
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  18. Found out it was a harness issue. Company shipped out another and all running accordingly. https://studio.youtube.com/video/mVtn8sBoItM/edit Thanks @Mopar1973Man for the call and chat. Cheers buddy! Jason TT
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  19. It’s at LMC truck, runs about $80.
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  20. I'm still here. I'm still waking up every morning ready to battle each day. Even though my body is not quite ready for the world of work but I'm trying to figure out how to work with my new body. I'm thankful I've got a few good friends that advocate for me and helped out. I need to call out Mark Hall thank you for being a close friend and helping out get my firewood for the winter. Then Dan Catherman for bringing his Datsun pickup with his fishing pole setup that loaded all the logs on my trailer. Then Einer for helping up in going out and doing the heavy work getting the firewood loaded. I'm even making attempts to see how much I can do. I had the driver's wheel joint fail last spring. I managed to change it out but took two days getting it done and still not quite right. The wheel joint is fine but my slide pins on the calipers need replacing and the kits were missing the rubber boots. Now to add a bit of good news. I had to endure hell to get to heaven. What do I mean by this. My hell was handling my mother's dialysis, my mother's death @MoparMom, 3 bad relationships. Then hit with bladder cancer both times on 2018 and 2023 Christmas. Then deal with 4 months of chemo. Then a 7-hour surgery to modify my body to no longer have a prostate or bladder which are gone! Now on my trip to Portico West medical building, I ran into Suzanna Lopez and had a few words and got called into my appointment. Now during my appointment, I rescheduled for 2 weeks not the 4 weeks that the doctor wanted. This lined me up to see Suzanna a second time and she came off the elevator and said "I remember you from the last time!" yes this was true. I was decked out in my Black and blue hair and makeup. She got in and sat down and the first thing she asked was for my phone number. Crazy fact Suzanna is the first woman to walk up to me in 53 years to ask me for my phone number. I asked why she was impressed with my makeup and appearance as well as some of my story about my cancer and taking care of my mother. Suzanna has more or less just stayed with me. She is attempting even right now to sort through all the Social Security documents and getting information dealt with. She has been there for all my medical appointments too. We have already been together already 2 months and have a difficult time when we are separated for a length of time. Suzanna issues are that she was injured in an accident that broke her left ankle and then had issues for most of her life. Now she had her ankle fused and now we are healing together attempting to support each other to work out and get back into shape. So there you go gang a tidbit of good news. I'm trying to get over the Social Security hurdles and she is being a huge help.
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  21. With stock sized / near stock sized tires and stock suspension height - I say no. I am not sure that there would be any benefit even with bigger tires and raised suspension. I installed a steering brace years ago and I have since removed it. The one thing that bothered me about the steering brace was that there were only two set screws (90° apart) for centering the bearing on the the Pitman shaft. That never made sense to me - it always forced the bearing to one side which in turn forced the Pitman shaft to one side, and the set screws would never stay tight. That did made sense to me. I would think that three set screws at 120° apart would have allowed for accurately centering the bearing and would have kept the set screws tight. - John
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  22. I'm still here its just been very busy running back and forth with my medical appointments. I'm also on another leash issue. I've got to be careful how much I'm working on my website since the different government agencies know that my website is still here and producing income so it has been reported. Now if I'm working too many hours on my website it could disqualify me from getting any benefits from these agencies. I'm very limited on what I can do. I'm sorry if I'm not here in the lime light as usual...
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  23. Ok I know several members have done this mod and said it was easy. It sure is easy. It takes about 2 hours from start to finish to complete this project. You'll need the terminal lugs and the metric bolt that @W-T specifies in his article. First thing disconnect your batteries. I unhooked the two negative leads. You need to gain access to the loom going across the front of the engine. So you'll need to remove the upper alternator bracket and the the two loom holders on the front of the block. I did this during my coolant flush project so my upper hose and thermostat are removed. If you have my crankcase vent that will need to be removed as well. Now I started at the battery and the alternator and started unhooking the wiring from these devices bring it forward. Now you start working on getting the split loom off the wiring. Start at the tape with a small exacto knife or razor blade and carefully split the tape to release the plastic split loom cover. Carefully remove it. I found out mine was brittle after all the years of engine heat. Once you remove all that slpit loom you can again split the spiral tape holding the loom together. Now you show be able to have both the ground lead and the alternator charge lead loose now. I will admit the alternator lead took a bit of work to release at the knot of tape on mine where it breaks out of the loom heading for the PDC. Just take your time with your razor blade and your get it released. You can clearly see the splice of the ground just like @W-T mentions in his article. Once you get the alternator lead out in one piece. Then the ground lead I used a pair of wire dikes and cut the ground right at the end of the splice. Now the alternator lead I reused the wire since it was in excellent condition. I mocked up the alternator lead by hooking it back up to the alternator like it should be and gave it a nice loop of slack then cut it to meet the positive battery terminal. On my terminal lugs, I took a hacksaw and scored the plastic collars and peeled them off for soldering. Then slipped the lug on and used a propane torch with the low flame and soldered the lugs right on to the wire. Good sold weld and this will seal the wire from future rot from battery acid and vapors. This is the completed alternator connection now. All I did was grab an old nut and stacked on the battery terminal. Now we are going to do the ground side. Now trim back the old splice and free the ends of the wires. Now strip back the wire so you can fit the wires into a lug. Again I did the same thing I took the hacksaw scored the plastic collar and peeled it off the lug and then slipped it on the wires and prepped it for soldering. Again just slipped the lug on the wires and low flame with a propane torch I soldered the lug to the wires. Now I cut the old plug off the splice on the passenger side ground and then trimmed the length of the wire with the plug so it would reach between the driver side battery and the gear case. Same again I peeled the plastic collar and slipped the lugs on and soldered with low flame propane torch. This gives you an idea where the wires go. Take your metric bolt and attach the ground wires to the case. Then the ground cable to the negative battery terminal on the driver side. Beyond this is just clean up. Now you need to tape up your loom again. I'm going to replace my split loom with a smaller size being the old loom was brittle and was breaking during removal. The only thing that should run across the front of the engine now should be the ECT sensor which is a twisted pair. The A/C compressor, A/C high-pressure switch, and the alternator field lead. Before AC noise level was 0.038 AC volts now after the mod its dropped to 0.015 AC volts (or 15mV AC). About the parallel cables... There is lot of folks being told they NEED the parallel the positive and negative cables. To test if you need that or not. Take a good quality DVM meter capable of DC mV scale. Now place a Black probe on the battery terminal and the red probe on the block (clean metal). Typically I see 3mV (0.003 volts) after doing the other part of the ground wire mod. Now take a set of jumper cables and go from the negative post to negative post. Also check the AC noise voltage with the jumper cable hooked up if there is no real change then you do not require the parallel cables. If the voltage drop is the same with the jump cables then you do not require the parallel cables because there are ZERO improvements. You can do this on the positive side as well. If there is a voltage change my first thought is to replace the BAD cables first before paralleling on a bad cable. All you do is covering up a bad connection. Adding the extra cables will not improve anything if it's not changing the voltage drop from point to point. Addon: Protection fuse or fusible link Some members are suggesting to install a fusible link or fuse of the same size at 140 Amps on the charge lead as a protection method. Just in case for some reason the diode bridge happens to short the positive side to the ground and doesn't start an engine fire. As for the size of the fusible link is still unknown as of yet. The factory is 140 amp fuse. The fusible link would be better suited than a fuse. I've found a few trucks that is incapable of doing a circuit breaker because of mystery loads and causing the breaker to trip prematurely. Fuse will solve this problem but make sure to carry an extra fuse. Addon: Resettable Circuit Breaker I picked up an inexpensive 150A circuit breaker from Amazon. The breaker does the job but over time the breaker will get weak and trip prematurely. I still favor the circuit breaker over a fuse for the alternator protection. Fuses you might go through several and be left high and dry without a spare and unable to drive home. Make sure you buy plenty of spare fuses if you go that route. Even with my backcountry travels I still trust the circuit breaker better.
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  24. Well, I'm sure a lot of you are curious about what I've been up to in the background. What I've been doing lately to prepare for the server swap is creating my own network at home. This is not your typical network setup. I've got 2 indoor WiFi heads one for the main house and one for the shop. Then I've got an outdoor WiFi head as well. This is all tied back to my 28 port PoE (Power On Ethernet) managed switch. Here we go... Starlink is my provider for the Internet. So far I'm extremely pleased with my service and price per month. Starlink is my source of internet and I had to order the optional ethernet port so I could run a wired network as well. No problem it was easy to hook up and fairly cheap to purchase. Now coming off the Starlink to my TP-Link 28 Port Managed Network Switch. I've got 250 watts of power for any PoE-enabled device. PoE stands for Power On Ethernet so the network switch provides the power for like my cameras and WiFi heads. This makes the setup very very easy being I just have to run cable from the switch to the device. Why all this? Simple it gives me a way of managing internet usage and allows me to firewall my whole network from the outside. Well not quite yet. I'm missing a Gateway that I ordered tonight which allows firewalling, port forwarding, and other firewall tasks. I've got security cameras watching over the property and the customer's vehicles here in the yard. Then I'm providing WiFi and cell service (Verizon). Now this is where some security comes in. I've got so far 2 WiFi channels you could use. Currently, Mopar1973Man is my full-access WiFi currently no restrictions. Now then there is Mopar1973Man Guest I got the bandwidth restricted to 5 Mbits down and 2 Mbits Up. Now I'm downloading large amounts of data from Mopar1973Man.Com I can now do it securely and not worry much. I've taken @MoparMom computer formatted the hard drive and created my own home server that does the dirty work that I don't want on my machine. Like today I did another full server backup and was able to store it in my home server. My cameras are set up over an SSH connection (Secure SHell) and as soon as any motion is detected the camera creates a video file on my home server and writes the video clip to the hard drive. Now going even further. Another reason for all this is protection from EMP pulse. You have to remember all data is stored on magnetic hard drives or SSD (Solid State Disk). As a matter of fact, I use both. So even the current backups are not secure being one EMP pulse could wipe it out. Now I'm building up a way to take these massive backup files and convert them into chunks that I can burn to DVD DL (DVD Dual Layer) which is 8.6 GB per disk. Then if I get this all written to an optical disk then it won't matter about EMP. Even if my computers are destroyed I've still got everything I need to restart even a new computer and be up and running quickly. Hard to believe after 23 years of being here on the internet I've got close to 65 GB of data on this server. That is my other issue. My current server I'm on has run out of time. CentOS7 is considered obsolete. I've been busy test-driving software I can get ahold of and ensuring I'm not getting caught in a corner with software issues, The website will be leaving CentOS7 Linux and switching to AlmaLinux. I've downloaded AlmaLinux and it's also a Redhat Linux Family and seems to be a better operating system. What I did was install VirtualBox and installed AlmaLinux as a virtual machine. The only thing I've not really studied hard is the Interworx control panel for the server. It seems like a better environment over cPanel without the expensive license I pay monthly on cPanel. Anyone out there that wants to try Linux I'm more than willing to teach you and help you install the Linux to a PC and get you set up. Just keep in mind Linux world does not have viri issues or malware being all Linux software is open source meaning you can download the source code and review the code for weakness if you wish. The beautiful trick is Android and Linux are both in the same family of Linux. You can bind your cellphone to a PC and that way you can use cellphone functions without picking up your phone. Being all the servers I work with are all Linux there isn't any need for expensive conversion software like Windows uses to work with Linux networks. Always remember Linux software is FREE, no cost, no price.
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  25. After doing some research on Starlink it is a rather secure Internet provider. I found out since they use CGNAT for addressing the internet it's nearly impossible to even address any device inside my network. Kind of a bummer for me I want to port forward several things off my home server so I could access from anywhere in the world. Nope CGNAT prevents this from happening. I've had several freak out about my use of Tiktok and how anyone can steal info from my phone. This is not possible while I'm at home since no device can be addressed from the outside world. How do I know this? Funny during my server set up I wanted to remote download all the website data and point it back to my home server. There is no response from my home server even calling out to my public IP address and even having port forwarding point that call to my server. Nope. No response. Now within my home network I can call my server and access the data I need. Yup I can access both machines from my phone at home but can't from the field.
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  26. I have a new proto type with custom circuit boards so I don't have to worry about a big mess of wires and components moving around and causing problems. I can move on to working out more of the code. My tune tables need some work and I need to build an ECU to operate my guage cluster and OBD2 port. Got my transmission signal working pretty good. I need to make a TPS calibration routine. Here's a new video of it running.
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  27. Alternator and PCM protection What I'm going to describe is a rare event. This is possible with any alternator stock ND or Bosch or even the aftermarket alternators that are bigger amperage output. In a nutshell, at any point, the blue field lead happens to short to ground the entire short is routed back through the PCM. Since the PCM is protected by a shared fuse of 20 amps this means the circuit board fails during these events. There have been two cases of this which is @pepsi71ocean and myself with the same failure. The only difference is mine failed so badly that it burned a hole through the PCM circuit board making the PCM unrepairable. I was forced to replace the PCM completely. Diagnostics You want to start the engine and check the blue for +12V. This +12V power should be present with the engine running. It's tested by using a DVM or test light. If power is not present then the PCM is damaged. The green wire will show a good ground more than likely but this will not work is there is no +12V to the field. This is where you make use of the article for ECM /PCM rebuilders. Make sure to test the alternator and replace it as well. The Modification This is based on the W-T ground wire mod. Being the field lead is powered from the PCM and the PCM, ECM and VP44 all share the same 20 amp fuse in slot G of the PDC. This fuse is too large to protect the PCM from a field wire short. This means you would have to purchase a fuse holder and solder in a fuse holder on the blue wire. With the PCM connectors removed from the PCM look at the connector towards the fender, this is connector C3. Pin 25 is the blue wire you can ohm test from end to end to be sure the wire is not broken. Then ohm between the blue wire and ground to verify its not shorted to ground still. Now take the tape near the loom and unwind it. This will give you about another 1 inch of wire. About 2 inches from the loom cut the blue wire. This should give you like 6 inches from the plug end and then a kind of stubby 2-inch wire on the loom end. Now solder in the fuse holder and use shrink tubing over your solder joints. With a bit of neat folding of the wire you should be able to loom the fuse holder into the loom again. I know that @IBMobile did the load testing of the field lead and suggests a 7.5 amp fuse. I'm going to do the testing with a 5 amp fuse. As for protection of the alternator on the charge lead, I opted to purchase a resetable 150 amp breaker. I know the factory alternator fuse was 140 amps. I know that the alternator will not produce more than 135 amps of charging current. I know the breaker is not there for protection the alternator for excessive charge current. The breaker is there just in case there is a dead short on the diode pack. If the short was good enough it could light that 6 gauge cable on fire. So having an exact 140 amp breaker is not required. The other thing I was reading up on was the breakers tend to trip prematurely because of underhood temperatures. I wanted to be just that little bit bigger that it does not trip the breaker because the alternator is already at full current charging on a hot day like jump starting another vehicle. Fallout, External Regulator users As for all you as fallout from this problem you typically were doing the external voltage regulator because of the PCM failure. I'm going to suggest that you consider doing the PCM repair and doing this mod and getting away from the external voltage regulator.
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  28. Mike is correct...the large current load on these 3 phase hairpin stators in conditions where all the available current is delivered does tax the design of the factory alternators. The diode's are all created on a single silicon substrate to assure uniform junction characteristics. This method allows for the PIV (peak inverse voltage) to closely match across all six diodes in a "three phase" rectified bridge. The old school would be to use individual large stud mounted diodes however; they would have to be curve traced to create a matched set of six diodes with close PIV and forward current avalanche voltage drops. All silicon diode junctions have a .6 volt drop turn-on when forward biased or conduction. Variations of these characteristics cause a dirty wave-form of the desired sinusoidal wave appearance. Hence; we have "ripple" witch is what Mike has explained so many times and why we must avoid this situation. Our trucks arrived with a "bare minimum" alternator design to get the vehicles off the sales lot. The grid heater configuration along with head lights and a fan blower for heat or defrost on early cold mornings takes the demand for these wimpy alternators to their design limits. Once we begin to "pound or beat" these diodes into forward and reverse current conduction we begin to see changes in the silicon junctions. It is cumulative and in time between hot summer and cold winter conditions our diode bridges become "leaky" and the "ripple" (AC component) becomes excessive and certain electric system devices begin to balk or react strangely with the imposed "ripple" floating on the DC(direct current) rail. Excellent mil-spec electronic devices or space-bound instruments MUST HAVE bullet proof power supplies. PURE DC hard-core power supplies are normal components and can be built without much effort today. Our alternators and dual batteries ARE the DC supplies for our trucks. The error is budget on Daimler/Chrysler's decision to put these 135 amp alternators into the Cummins platform. The standard rule of thumb for all electronic design regarding power supplies is, "If you have a demand of 100 amps maximum in a given system, you build a supply with 50% more headroom minimum. Now, take conditions into consideration...heat, cold and perhaps a poor matched battery in a dual battery (paralleled batteries) storage supply and the occasional "starter" operation (the Cummins starter is INSANE on current demand!) and WE have a real MONSTER to feed! Boys and Girls...if you want bullet-proof DC, double the available current at idle. Yes...this is correct...go with a 6 phase (twelve diode pack) and a hand-wound "square wire" hairpin-stator. The six-phase stator and companion rotor will cut the ripple to near zero in conjunction with proper storage capacity (really good paralleled batteries) you will have the power supply for your Cummins. The "square" wire wind is best for current demand when an "AC field wave-form" is cutting the coil to impose current into the inductive system. It is the cutting edge in design for transformers with high efficiency and LESS HEAT. Heat is "loss" and also destroys the surrounding aspects of the generating device. BTW...not even Nations builds to these specifications....they buy their upper-end higher current devices from a source in Riverside California. Just for grins... 1 Amp...what is this? Electronics 101: Current flow is "electrons" ( remember 5th grade science?) the Atom is composed of three elements the Proton, Neutron and the little Electron flying around the other two elements like an orbiting satellite. It is the "electron" we are interested in when it comes to DC (direct current) when we refer to "current flow" in a circuit. SO...the question is? When we measure "current flow" the term Amps is used....how many "electrons" flow through a piece of wire at a given point in "one second" ??? One Amp is (physics term "Coulomb" ) equals 1x10 to the eighteenth power....hence; when you start your mighty Cummins you are transferring 1x10x18 x 600 electrons in order to spin the Beast into run condition ! Take a look at the size of this number ! This is why you need "FAT" wire to allow all those little (minions) electrons to race at the speed of light through the wire to the given load. As you can see...current flow is from "negative" to "positive" in our world. The battery has a "positive" terminal and it is "sucking" to become satisfied. It attracts ("sucks") electrons off the frame-rail of your truck "as current flow" in order to spin the armature of the starter motor. SO..."negative" (electrons) flow towards the "positive" (hole or sucking-action)....seems we have an "upside down" world !!!! Now this leads us to another interesting Physics observation...you see...lights Do Not Give Off Light ! They suck "dark" and you will notice when a light bulb "burns out" and no longer provides luminescence....we say "it is burned out" however; we now know that is not true!.... IT IS FULL of Dark and we need a new bulb ...Look at the bulb...it's "dark". Sorry...had to share this funny tid-bit...none the less...our Cummins platforms were not produced with Mil-Spec in mind. Sorry, our ECM and PCM's must be provided "clean" stable DC in order to function correctly. The design guys never considered 6 millivolts of "ripple" to be critical for converter "lock and unlock" syndrome and yet we see the result and unwanted operational characteristics. I build killer DC power supplies for various electronic devices...you need a shop oscilloscope to even see the minor "AC ripple" and as for regulation, from zero to 100 Amps at 14.8 volts there is NO DC drop in voltage. It is like taking and engine from "zero" to "red line" in a heart-beat and you don't even see a fraction of a voltage drop...this is called a "Stiff DC Regulated Supply". Build your DC Supply...the Cummins platform is a Nobel Beast....feed it a good stiff DC diet with NO sag and Zero ripple and all will be well. ALSO...guys I lurk around out here...I've seen photos you have all taken "under the hood" of your beloved vehicles...gosh golly!!! The appearance of the battery terminals and cable connectors...it is pretty sad. You can't transfer billions and billions of electrons (with NO heat) through the scum I have viewed. Again...No worries...we are all in this together... I share this respectfully as intellectual content with just a touch of humor Cheers
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  29. Huge thanks to AKshooter for writing this up. Ok, recent thread on here drove me past the point of looking at wiring diagrams and giving direction. Somethings are just easier explained with pictures and tested against a known good working system. So in an effort to help others, I tore my own truck apart in the dark outside in Alaskan November temperatures with a few simple test tools, a head lamp and an IPhone camera so bare with me if the pictures aren't the greatest. I do prefer that testing be done test light when possible. A meter is useful tool but if you don't 100% completely know how to use/test with it you can easily be lead in the wrong direction. Just throwing that out there from 11 years now of turning wrenches for a living. See it happen all the time. No current flow no voltage drop. Testing circuits when they are loaded is best. First of all you are going to have to look at a diagram, going to make you. On this diagram we can see - Powertrain Control Module or PCM - Controls Alternator Fields (Turns the alternator on/off) - Power Distribution Center or PDC - Fuse box under the hood - The Generator or Alternator - If you need this explained.... 1. There is a Black/Grey Wire between the Gen/Alt and the PDC which contains the 140amp fuse and then a red wire to the battery. This is the large charge wire that electricity flows from the Gen/Alt to the 140amp fuse in the PDC and onto the battery. This is the large wire on the large stud on your Gen/Alt and you should have battery voltage or alternator output voltage on this stud. Check the fuse if you don't, or wires associated with that circuit. 2. Now into the meat of things, there are two wires from the PCM to the Alternator. - Here is the two pin plug that plugs into the back of the Alternator, notice the Green and Dark Blue Wires. - The dark blue wire is the voltage supply to the Generator fields. Meaning this is a positive wire and should have 12V on a meter or light a test light like this when the test light is hooked to battery negative as in the picture. (A meter would be the same with the negative lead) Engine MUST be running, key on engine off does not work for this test. *For demonstration purposes pictures are taken with engine off so the test light is not lit in these photo's.* - The green wire is the control wire, meaning the PCM grounds this wire to turn on or off the alternator fields (DO NOT THINK YOU CAN JUST JUMP THIS TO GROUND FOREVER TO BYPASS THE PCM IT WILL FRY LOTS OF STUFF BECAUSE THE ALTERNATOR WILL BE FULL FIELDED TO 16+ VOLTS) This is a ground circuit so with the truck running a test light or meter hooked to battery positive should show 12V or light like this. If you have power on the blue wire while the engine is running and can hook 12v to ground on the green wire while the engine is running and voltage on the large stud your alternator is bad, but if you don't have one of the other......... This is where the PCM lives behind your air filter box, notice I removed mine for better access, TURN THE KEY OFF before disconnecting The connector closest to the passenger side is the Grey C3 connector. The Connector in the middle is the White C2 connector. Reference the wiring diagram at the PCM. We are concerned with pin 25 in the Grey C3 connector as it is the opposite end of the dark blue wire at the alternator. We are also concerned with pin 10 of the White C3 connector as it is the opposite end of the green wire at the alternator. NOTE - The connectors have a locking tab on the top and bottom, do not force, use shop air if need to blow out dirt so the locks release and you can unhook the connectors. Noticed the pins are numbered, double and triple check your are on the correct pin when testing. Grey C3 shown here White C2 shown here Now using your meter set it to continuity or resistance test and check between pin 25 in the Grey C3 connector and the BLUE wire pin at the alternator plug. There should be a connection between these two pins. Next test the Pin 10 of the White C2 connector to the GREEN wire pin at the alternator plug. There should be a connection between these two pins. Meters vary from make to make as to what they will read (some beep) when showing continuity vs an open circuit. Simple test is to simply look at what the meter says when the leads are not touching each other..... like this. VS With the leads touching each other. (no resistance, good connection) This is what you want to see when testing both of your wires between the PCM and Alt plug Now if these wires both test good, more than likely your PCM is bad. To be 100% positive it is the PCM, I would pull the plastic cover off of the C2 and C3 connectors and back probe the blue and green wires and see if you have 12Vs that way, this would eliminate the entire harness and test only the PCM. How you go about fixing the issue is up to you. With the manual transmission trucks that is all these two wires do. BUT with the Automatic trucks notice in the diagram that the BLUE wire also powers the transmission relay through a splice. I'll try to update this with information as to PCM repair or external voltage regulator solutions. Now if these wires both test good, more than likely your PCM is bad. To be 100% positive it is the PCM, I would pull the plastic cover off of the C2 and C3 connectors and back probe the blue and green wires with the harnesses plugged in and see if you have 12Vs that way, this would eliminate the entire harness and test only the PCM. How you go about fixing the issue is up to you. With the manual transmission trucks that is all these two wires do. BUT with the Automatic trucks notice in the diagram that the BLUE wire also powers the transmission relay through a splice. I'll try to update this with information as to PCM repair or external voltage regulator solutions. Hope it answers some questions. Engine running for testing at the plug. Key off before unhooking PCM.
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